Froch gets Cobra'd by Sir Joe!

[Dirk Diggler UK]

When did I ever use that as an excuse? I said he was inexperienced to reply to the notion he might not beat Dirrell today. I don't make excuses for fighers. Like Calzaghe having "one good hand". Calzaghe had bad hands basically his whole career.

He re-injured his hand in the fight as confirmed by a doctor. Dirrell is also more experienced now so I don't see the argument. He would be an absolute nightmare for Carl Froch.

He made him look like an amateur by making him miss and picking him off with counters. He landed a lot more than a "few right hands".

He also got hit A LOT and admitted that Calzaghe was the better boxer. Could you say that about Carl Froch after the Dirrell fight? Lol....he couldn't hit him with a bag of confetti for most of the fight.

How wasn't it a back and forth fight? Froch won some rounds and Dirrell won some rounds. Clearly a back and forth fight.

Because it wasn't. Calzaghe-Reid was more of a war. Froch-Dirrell was mostly a boring stand off where Froch lost a few rounds big and only won rounds because of Dirrell's inexperience at that level and lack of confidence. You came out that fight thinking Dirrell would have battered him if he had a bit more upstairs. And it would still be a tough out for Froch now who again, has been outboxed more than once....

Whereas Calzaghe and Reid were evenly matched at the time and the feeling was that Joe toughed it out and would have made the adjustments and won comfortably if they fought again without his injury. Calzaghe would have wiped the floor with Reid later in his career.

[IronDanHamza]

He re-injured his hand in the fight as confirmed by a doctor. Dirrell is also more experienced now so I don't see the argument. He would be an absolute nightmare for Carl Froch.



He also got hit A LOT and admitted that Calzaghe was the better boxer. Could you say that about Carl Froch after the Dirrell fight? Lol....he couldn't hit him with a bag of confetti for most of the fight.



Because it wasn't. Calzaghe-Reid was more of a war. Froch-Dirrell was mostly a boring stand off where Froch lost a few rounds big and only won rounds because of Dirrell's inexperience at that level and lack of confidence. You came out that fight thinking Dirrell would have battered him if he had a bit more upstairs. And it would still be a tough out for Froch now who again, has been outboxed more than once....

Whereas Calzaghe and Reid were evenly matched at the time and the feeling was that Joe toughed it out and would have made the adjustments and won comfortably if they fought again without his injury. Calzaghe would have wiped the floor with Reid later in his career.

And? It's still very arguable who won.

Dirrell is hardly more experienced now. He's been basically on the shelf since the Abraham fight.

Dirrell would get slaughtered by the Froch that fought Bute and Kessler.

Calzaghe has been outboxed more than once.

The only guy to actually outbox and beat Froch conviningly is Andre Ward a guy who would just as easily box circles around Calzaghe.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

And? It's still very arguable who won.

Dirrell is hardly more experienced now. He's been basically on the shelf since the Abraham fight.

Dirrell would get slaughtered by the Froch that fought Bute and Kessler.

Calzaghe has been outboxed more than once.

The only guy to actually outbox and beat Froch conviningly is Andre Ward a guy who would just as easily box circles around Calzaghe.

You're very anti-Calzaghe and pro-Froch so you've lost a sense of rationality here

[IronDanHamza]

You're very anti-Calzaghe and pro-Froch so you've lost a sense of rationality here

If you say so

Nothing I've said is untrue.

Other than obviously outcomes of fantasy fights.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

If you say so

Nothing I've said is untrue.

Other than obviously outcomes of fantasy fights.

Joe Calzaghe has been outboxed by who? Hopkins at a very long stretch and who else? Irrational statement.

The Froch that fought Bute and Kessler would brutalise Dirrell would he? Is that why he almost got KTFO and was bashed around by Ugly Kid in his next fight. Is Groves now considered better than Dirrell? Irrational.

Ward would easily box circles around Calzaghe? Based on what? Other than your irrational dislike for Sir Joe.

[IronDanHamza]

Joe Calzaghe has been outboxed by who? Hopkins at a very long stretch and who else? Irrational statement.

The Froch that fought Bute and Kessler would brutalise Dirrell would he? Is that why he almost got KTFO and was bashed around by Ugly Kid in his next fight. Is Groves now considered better than Dirrell? Irrational.

Ward would easily box circles around Calzaghe? Based on what? Other than your irrational dislike for Sir Joe.

Hopkins for the first 6 rounds, Reid in spots.

Same way for Froch by Taylor and Groves but they still lost.

How the hell is saying Calzaghe has been outboxed at times irrational? Hopkins clearly outboxed him in the first half of their fight before Calzaghe finished strongly.

It wouldnt surprise me one bit if Groves beat Dirrell and considering Dirrell has been on the shelf for 5 years getting dropped on his back by Degale and hurt by a journeyman in his last fight I can't see how thinking Froch would **** him is irrational.

Based on the fact that Ward is head and shoulders above anyone he's ever faced and if a 44 year old Hopkins can have the success he did with Calzaghe I have little doubt Ward can do that and much better. Hardly irrational to think Ward would have an easy time with Calzaghe.

Can't see how any of those are irrational lines of thinking.

An irrational line of thinking is saying its arguable if Dirrell is better than Froch because he arguably beat him in a close fight.

[paulf]

Froch should have just let it slide, calling out long-retired fighters is obnoxious. I know they have history, but jesus christ.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You said Calzaghe has been outboxed more than once - firstly sounds weird since he's undefeated lol..... and your justification is "Reid in spots"

George Groves looked absolutely horrendous against a light middleweight from Mayweather's gym who scrubs the toilets. Andre Dirrell went to Mayweather's gym and battered everyone there in sparring. He would absolutely annihilate Ugly Kid, who as an untested prospect outboxed and battered experienced Froch for 8 rounds.

Calzaghe is head and shoulders above anyone Ward has ever faced with a style that Ward has never dealt with.

I'll leave this one alone. You are extremely biased in this particular debate.

[IronDanHamza]

You said Calzaghe has been outboxed more than once - firstly sounds weird since he's undefeated lol..... and your justification is "Reid in spots"

George Groves looked absolutely horrendous against a light middleweight from Mayweather's gym who scrubs the toilets. Andre Dirrell went to Mayweather's gym and battered everyone there in sparring. He would absolutely annihilate Ugly Kid, who as an untested prospect outboxed and battered experienced Froch for 8 rounds.

Calzaghe is head and shoulders above anyone Ward has ever faced with a style that Ward has never dealt with.

I'll leave this one alone. You are extremely biased in this particular debate.

Well Froch didn't lose to the people you are saying he was outboxed by, so what's the difference?

Can you not be outboxed whilst being undefeated? Was Julio Cesar Chavez outboxed before Whitaker? Clearly he was a few times,despite pulling out victories.

Reid did outbox him in spots, as did Hopkins.

No different to Taylor, the example you used.

The Groves-Dirrell paragraph, I can't even see what your point is there. Like I said, if Groves hasn't been full Cobra'd then it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Groves beat him.

Well not really because he isn't head and shoulders above Froch if better at all. Ward is definitely miles better than anyone Calzaghe faced.

[mathed]

Froch is just lucky Joe is retired because the Zagster would have pummeled him in the ring.