Comments Thread For: Golden Boy, ABC, WBO Join In Pending Haymon Lawsuit

[Barcham]

Al Haymon is a dominant manager, advising the fighters he works with to take the most lucrative fights possible. Haymon can't legally bother with the nuts and bolts of putting together fights, so he works with promoters who willingly handle those duties.

For the longest time, that promoter was Richard Schaefer-led Golden Boy Promotions; Al would have a fight that he wanted for his fighter and his fighter was interested in, he'd call Golden Boy, and Golden Boy would handle he legwork for the event, putting together the actual fights.

The fighters would get paid what Haymon was able to secure for them, and Golden Boy would earn their own take, once all the costs of the event were covered.

Haymon is only looking out for his fighters, taking the only known money that he takes from fighter purse. Why would Haymon ever bother with the hassles of being a formal promoter, taking money from the fighters that he's seeking to enrich?

He's already made his own fortune outside of boxing. He has no need to gouge anyone off of a promoter's cut.

The thing that you ignore is that neither Haymon nor his corporation have any business cutting a cheque to a fighter. Chavez Jr. posted a picture of the cheque that Haymon paid him with. Advisors and managers earn their living by being paid a percentage by the fighter, they do not pay the fighter. Haymon works for the fighter, the fighter does not work for Haymon. At least that is how it is supposed to work.

[SugarRaRobinson]

Because as soon as the match starts and there is no celebration, no fighter entourage, no blasting music, no ring announcer, no ring girls, no enthusiastic crowd, you end up with a bad taste in your mouth afterwards and are hardly in a mood to give the show a rave review.

If this is what u need to enjoy a boxing match , I think you've missed a step there .

[Scipio2009]

A hack who, for years, had far more information on Haymon than any other writer.

Much of what was, and is, known about Haymon is because of Hauser's articles.

Hardly any of his information, as initally stated by him, has ended up being born out as truthful, From what I've read anyway, the most glaring of which being his insistence that Mayweather failed three random drug tests, yet refuses to even hint at the actual substance that led to the test failure.

So yes, Hauser's a hack

[Barcham]

If this is what u need to enjoy a boxing match , I think you've missed a step there .

It's part of the boxing experience to me and has been a part of it since I was a boy. So yes, I do need it to truly enjoy the experience. A championship boxing match was once the ultimate in sporting events. Bigger than the Superbowl or the Stanley Cup or the World Series. It was an event unsurpassed. Imagine the upcoming Floyd-Pac fight if it was being produced by PBC? Do you think there would still be the excitement without the pre fight press conferences, all the hype and the show that goes along with the fight?

Did you watch the Baltimore baseball game yesterday? That is what the PBC is like to me when I watch it.

[Scipio2009]

He refuses to work with golden boy and roc nation as well as Kath duva. forced his fighters to vacate belts rather then take career paydays from Roc. Kovelev was going to fight stevenson until he hired Haymon. That's 4 major promoters he won't work with.

Arum refuses to work with nearly every other promotional outfit, going as far as to paying another outfit to have their fighter on a show, but never co-promoting a fight with anyone else.

Since it's Aum though, i guess it's ok.

[SugarRaRobinson]

The point is everyone has the right to do what they feel is acceptable. The business he is in has a shady past to begin with and the people or organizations that have persevered did so by making friends and eliminating enemies. In any industry or organizational structure, not just boxing, the truly smart people who want to advance make friends. You befriend everyone you can and become a benefit to them in some way, you don't take from them and try to shove them in the dirt.

I mean you can feel free to do that but don't be mad when you find yourself on the other side of the line looking at the rest of the guys just twitching to take you down. It'll start with closed door talks and then when the animosity grows beyond control it will just become an outright public attack. If you piss off enough people and hurt the structure of the organization, you will soon not be part of the organization, that is just fundamental sociology.

I can agree with dam near everything u just said . But he must have made some VERY powerful friends to be where he is . His POWERFUL FRIENDS seem to be much more formittable than his enemies up until this point in time . We will see what the future holds , cause so far hue enemies r looking like peons

[Eff Pandas]

Advisors and managers earn their living by being paid a percentage by the fighter, they do not pay the fighter. Haymon works for the fighter, the fighter does not work for Haymon. At least that is how it is supposed to work.

I don't believe there is anything about an investor, which is what Al really is at the end of the day more than anything else it seems to me, in the Muhammad Ali Act to suggest this can't be done.

This is exactly what HBO has been doing for decades. HBO is just a bunch of guys hidden behind a network who are thumbs upping & thumbs downing fights every month not unlike the sorta thing Al is probably doing while both of them outsource the promotion duties. Main difference seems to be that HBO favors & pays the promoters more & Al favors & pays the fighters more.

For the life of me I've never understood why promoters have or need as much power as they got. The power structure in boxing NEEDS to be flipped upside down. When managers start getting into as many disputes with their fighters as promoters get into with their fighters maybe its time to shift the power paradigm again, but right now more fighters get effed over by promoters then managers.

[SchoolTheseCats]

LOL...man, the fact that his boxers (some of them at least) don't have promotional contracts with anyone else besides Hymen and he is also their manager is proof. I am sensing that this fact is not settling in or something. Just being honest, not even trying to say one way or the other but based on the criteria of what defines the Ali Act, it sounds like the proof is already there based solely on the fact that these guys don't have promo contracts with anyone else.

That's not proof lol they don't need to be signed to a promotional company in order to have fights Ali act protects fighters from getting they money double tap in claiming to be one thing and double other things for double percentages getting taken out all he doing is taking a advisor fee and having other promoters license the cards and the promoters getting they money from the hedge fund dough not the fighters purses

[Barcham]

Arum refuses to work with nearly every other promotional outfit, going as far as to paying another outfit to have their fighter on a show, but never co-promoting a fight with anyone else.

Since it's Aum though, i guess it's ok.

Does Arum have any fighters signed to him as an advisor or manager? No? Then he doesn't belong in this discussion. No one is forced to work with him and fighters have their advisors and managers to advise them to sign or not sign a contract with him. So if a fighter signs a promotional contract with Arum, there are other people in the chain who have approved that contract. Well, with Haymon, he is the person advising you whether or not to sigh a contract with promoters that he himself controls or with the PBC which Haymon himself is directly in charge of.

Some people around here are either dense or just plain ******.

[Barcham]

I don't believe there is anything about an investor, which is what Al really is at the end of the day more than anything else it seems to me, in the Muhammad Ali Act to suggest this can't be done.

This is exactly what HBO has been doing for decades. HBO is just a bunch of guys hidden behind a network who are thumbs upping & thumbs downing fights every month not unlike the sorta thing Al is probably doing while both of them outsource the promotion duties. Main difference seems to be that HBO favors & pays the promoters more & Al favors & pays the fighters more.

For the life of me I've never understood why promoters have or need as much power as they got. The power structure in boxing NEEDS to be flipped upside down. When managers start getting into as many disputes with their fighters as promoters get into with their fighters maybe its time to shift the power paradigm again, but right now more fighters get effed over by promoters then managers.

IF fighters are getting screwed over by promoters, then that means that the advisors and managers are not doing the job they are being paid for. Advisors and managers are paid by the fighter, the promoter pays the fighter. The advisors and managers are there to make sure the fighter is getting his just share. If a fighter is getting shafted by a promoter, he needs a new manager or advisor or both.