Why don't people get what Haymon is doing?

[sicko]

Who Cares what "People" think, they will watch...they might watch just to b1tch and complain like Women on their Periods but regardless THEY WILL WATCH!

Haymon is a Ivy League Educated BUSINESS MAN, I doubt anybody on this forum can tell that Man anything as far as how to do business and how to make money. He and his team KNOWS WTF they're doing.

Same with Arum another Ivy League Educated Man! These are Extremely Smart Guys, they're not guys showing up with Money like a Roc Nation or 50 Cent and just taking a CHANCE, they know the ins and outs as far as how to make money and what is or is not a good investment. They also have WEALTHY...NOT RICH but WEALTHY Friends and Investors who can put up money for their ventures just because they can afford to do so, they're not giving their last dime and hoping they see a fast Profit within 3 Events into this thing. Investors know what they're getting into and they know it is LONG TERM INVESTMENT

Stop worrying about the Outside of the Ring aspect of it especially if you haven't invested a DIME into it, it is not for you to worry about if they're making or losing money and who is buying Commercials. PBC is still at the stage of introducing themselves as well as new stars.

The big matches are coming, again it is a Multiple Year deal with this networks so they have plenty of time!

[oneon11]

You can't please a idiot. ....

I get that but the main argument is 1) he's not profitable and 2) he's spending to much money.

I mean what! WTF!

As you put it WTF, the way I see it if it was anyone not associated with Floyd making millions these clowns wouldn't have a problem. But even if Haymon loose money it's his money and only a ignorant hater would care about someone else's cash. All these other promoter's could've made this happen but they don't care about boxing fans or the fighters. All they want to do is screw the fighters while trying to get every boxing fans hard earn money. I'm looking forward to more of Haymon's bouts that are free. At least he has top notch guys fighting a d to be honest those guys are better then the ones on the under card of those PPV fights.

[thiefery]

That accusation precedes Haymon also. See Top Rank's management of JCC Jrs career for reference.

Only defense that I'll give to Jr was the fact that he had no Amatuer career so when fighters go straight to the pros it happens..

[thiefery]

Really thiefery? Did you say that when kov fought whoever his name was before Hopkins on hbo? or ggg vs monroe in the future? hell, provo was supposed to have an easy night with algieri, in turn, Bradley was supposed to have a nice little comeback/tune up vs provo.. A then 'espn' level fighter.

Did you complain then? Were we having an uproar when cotto fought Jennings or Delvin Rodriguez on hbo? Were you, as a fan, complaining about JuanMa Lopez vs Salido after Siri was there to be a stepping stone to set up a potential fight(that never happened) with gamboa? Before the end result actually happened. Or were you one of those that were agitated that Lopez/Gamboa was still marinating, as Bob put it?

Who does Kovalev have in his own stable that he can fight? He stays busy and at the time politics kept him away from Stevenson, Hopkins..

As for cotto, he wasn't a champion during the Jennings, Rodriguez fights. There wasn't anyone people were chanting for him to fight.

JuanMa didn't want the Gamboa fight, Arum played along with it.. It blew up, he then tried Gamboa - Rios.. And we know what happened then..

Just saying.. Herrera was a showcase fight until Danny struggled badly. He then got salka.. Now it's Peterson who shouldn't even have a belt but does.. And they're not even fighting for them..

[jas]

Ok geniuses

Suggest the matchups for the next 10 cards

I'll wait...

[thiefery]

For starters Garcia vs Peterson at 140?

[Barcham]

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That's why I don't give a fugg if Al Haymon/PBC drive all of them to the poor house. Haymon makes his money by getting his fighters THEIR money. He is, by definition (no matter how slippery), fiduciarily responsible TO his fighters. IFAICS, the PBC model is putting money in fighters pockets, and by the amount of new signings with Haymon on a weekly basis, the fighters are clearly showing what model they are voting for.

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The problem is that Haymon is also fiduciarily responsible to his investors. When the chips are down, which side do you think he will come down on? That is what I have major problems with. He cannot represent both the fighters and the 'company' with equal fervor and integrity. Someone has to lose out in the end and I expect it to be the fighters because the investors are not shovelling millions of dollars into this out of the goodness of their hearts.

People around these Haymon threads love to use random companies and businesses as comparisons. Well how about picking any big business in the world and you find me ONE major business: airline, movie industry, music industry, banking, auto industry, UFC, WWE, etc... JUST ONE where the employees are making more money than the suits in the penthouse office suites.

[kafkod]

Boxing is an international sport and Haymon may simply end up fragmenting the sport into the US market and the rest of the world.

What worries me about Haymon is that I think it may be his intention to do just that. To take advantage of the fact that boxing is no longer a mainstream sport in the States by reintroducing it to the American public - but as a kind of alternative reality in which, eg, Deontay Wilder is THE heavyweight champ, the 21st century equivalent of Ali, Tyson and Holyfield, while Wlad Klitschko is part of some irrelevant side-show staged for the benifit of drunken Russians and Germans who don't know any better. And so on down through every weight division.

[Sweet Jones]

The problem is that Haymon is also fiduciarily responsible to his investors. When the chips are down, which side do you think he will come down on? That is what I have major problems with. He cannot represent both the fighters and the 'company' with equal fervor and integrity. Someone has to lose out in the end and I expect it to be the fighters because the investors are not shovelling millions of dollars into this out of the goodness of their hearts.

Again, this is not unique to Al Haymon.

GBP has long had actual shareholders. Before they divested, did you question whether GBP was 'pro fighter' or more loyal to AEG 'when the chips were down'?

When Top Rank is willing to let real (Macau casinos) and imaginary (Falcon Hawk) investment groups foot the financial bill for his cards, did you question where his loyalties lie?

Look at Main Events dilemma now. Will they let Kovalev get that money when a (in all likelihood) Haymon funded purse bid victory sets up the Stevenson fight? Or is she more interested in protecting her 'relationship' with HBO by never approving that fight?

Again, not sure where all the newfound 'concern' is coming from.

People around these Haymon threads love to use random companies and businesses as comparisons. Well how about picking any big business in the world and you find me ONE major business: airline, movie industry, music industry, banking, auto industry, UFC, WWE, etc... JUST ONE where the employees are making more money than the suits in the penthouse office suites.

I have never seen anyone actually make this argument. Seems strawman to me.

[PulpFriction]

I haven't seen many people recently bashing what he's doing with free cable shows but certainly he's a pain in the ass with his match-making ability.