Official Tyson Fury vs Christian Hammer & Undercards RbR/Discussion thread

[LacedUp]

I actually partially agree that it is in fact an across the board problem that will most likely never be rectified. Fury just happens to be vocal about it. By the way I also happen to feel the same away about Wilder. With that said I give Fury a little more credit. But considering who Wilder has fought that really isn't saying very much.

It will be rectified at some point hopefully. but yes it is a problem. Which is why guys like Povetkin should be applauded. He seems to genuinely want to fight the best, and he also does. I hope he's given a chance for a vacant belt when Wlad retires.

A little more credit to Fury? Come on. I know you don't like Fury, but at least he's beaten some ranked fighters, ex champions, ex contenders etc.

Wilder's resume is absolute trash in comparison.

Cunningham and Chisora are legit fighters. Both were top 10 ranked when Fury beat them and Cunningham still is.
Hammer is also legit. He isn't what I would call a contender (for a world title) but definitely more than a journeyman.

Hammer isn't legit at all. He's not a top 20 fighter and he doesn't belong in the ring with Tyson. It's a complete joke of a fight.

[kafkod]

It will be rectified at some point hopefully. but yes it is a problem. Which is why guys like Povetkin should be applauded. He seems to genuinely want to fight the best, and he also does. I hope he's given a chance for a vacant belt when Wlad retires.

A little more credit to Fury? Come on. I know you don't like Fury, but at least he's beaten some ranked fighters, ex champions, ex contenders etc.

Wilder's resume is absolute trash in comparison.



Hammer isn't legit at all. He's not a top 20 fighter and he doesn't belong in the ring with Tyson. It's a complete joke of a fight.

Hammer is a top 20 fighter. He's No4 with the WBO and No11 with Boxrec.
Fury has won his final eliminator and believes he is ready for Wlad. He doesn't need to worry about climbing the rankings any more. All he needs to do now is hold steady and wait for his shot.
As I pointed out earlier, Hammer is a class above the 2 guys Pulev fought when he was in that same position and better than I expected for Fury in what is, after all, nothing more than a "stay busy" fight.

[Ravens Fan]

Cunningham and Chisora are legit fighters. Both were top 10 ranked when Fury beat them and Cunningham still is.
Hammer is also legit. He isn't what I would call a contender (for a world title) but definitely more than a journeyman.

Who were they ranked by? Honestly, don't waste your time if you tell me the alphabet organizations ranked them. Because honestly I have not looked at the rankings of the alphabet boys for the better part of the last decade because they are an absolute joke and not a very funny one.

But I do know that Chisora was number six on Boxrec and my question is why???? After all he had not fought anyone relevant after he was easily smoked by part time fighter/actor Haye and did nothing to deserve such a lofty ranking.

And Boxrec does make mistakes, if you don't believe me ask yourself why do they now have Tarver ranked as the sixth best heavyweight in the world and number one in the USA Hell, he hasn't been in a relevant fight in years and the last one he was in wasn't even in the HW division. That is absolutely pathetic.

As far as Cunningham is concerned I don't believe he ever cracked the top ten HW even on Boxrec. But it really doesn't matter because he is an old past his prime small cruiserweight size HW that Fury struggled against. As far as Hammer is concerned he was knocked out by Wach, end of discussion.

[Ravens Fan]

It will be rectified at some point hopefully. but yes it is a problem. Which is why guys like Povetkin should be applauded. He seems to genuinely want to fight the best, and he also does. I hope he's given a chance for a vacant belt when Wlad retires.

A little more credit to Fury? Come on. I know you don't like Fury, but at least he's beaten some ranked fighters, ex champions, ex contenders etc.

Wilder's resume is absolute trash in comparison.

You will pick part Wlad's opponents and yet somehow give Fury a pass?? Sorry, it just doesn't pass the smell test. In ex-champions do you mean Cunningham? The same one that you just recently spent an awful lot of time trying to convince everyone that he isn't nor was he ever an elite fighter, that guy?

Just in case you had forgotten this was your opinion of Cunningham just from one week ago;
"I bet you haven't watched 3 full Steve Cunningham fights in your life. He Was never an elite light heavyweight, cruiserweight or heavyweight."

And what contenders are you talking about, Kevin "I am Just Here to Get Paid" Johnson? Or was it Chiosra who almost beat the "Nordic Wet Dream" and got beaten badly by a prt time fighter in Haye and done little else in his career? So, I will say it again he gets more credit then Wilder, who I agree with you has been a joke, but again it ain't saying much.

And the thing is Fury had opportunities to fight other fighters and yes some were not his fault such as Haye. But in the end he still fought who he fought and in my opinion took the somewhat easy route to a mandatory position. But in the end it won't matter because if he fights Wlad all that will catch up with him and he will lose and it will be ugly.

[LacedUp]

Hammer is a top 20 fighter. He's No4 with the WBO and No11 with Boxrec.
Fury has won his final eliminator and believes he is ready for Wlad. He doesn't need to worry about climbing the rankings any more. All he needs to do now is hold steady and wait for his shot.
As I pointed out earlier, Hammer is a class above the 2 guys Pulev fought when he was in that same position and better than I expected for Fury in what is, after all, nothing more than a "stay busy" fight.

I don't give a monkeys about WBO or Boxrec rankings. WBO also have Charles Martin and Andy Ruiz in the top 10. What does that mean? Hammer is not a top 20 guy and that's the bottom line. And he's certainly no top 15.

It doesn't really matter what Poolev did. He also has a crap resume. And you saw how he got dealt with. Fury should fight someone that at the very least has a similar frame to Wlad.

[LacedUp]

You will pick part Wlad's opponents and yet somehow give Fury a pass?? Sorry, it just doesn't pass the smell test. In ex-champions do you mean Cunningham? The same one that you just recently spent an awful lot of time trying to convince everyone that he isn't nor was he ever an elite fighter, that guy?

Just in case you had forgotten this was your opinion of Cunningham just from one week ago;
"I bet you haven't watched 3 full Steve Cunningham fights in your life. He Was never an elite light heavyweight, cruiserweight or heavyweight."

And what contenders are you talking about, Kevin "I am Just Here to Get Paid" Johnson? Or was it Chiosra who almost beat the "Nordic Wet Dream" and got beaten badly by a prt time fighter in Haye and done little else in his career? So, I will say it again he gets more credit then Wilder, who I agree with you has been a joke, but again it ain't saying much.

And the thing is Fury had opportunities to fight other fighters and yes some were not his fault such as Haye. But in the end he still fought who he fought and in my opinion took the somewhat easy route to a mandatory position. But in the end it won't matter because if he fights Wlad all that will catch up with him and he will lose and it will be ugly.

What are you talking about? Find me one place where I've said Fury has a good resume. I said "at the very least" he's beaten some ex champions and contenders. how the hell do you get that as meaning I'm bigging Fury up? Seriously, sometimes (most times) you are so blinded by love for Wlad that you don't see what I'm writing.

I stand by my comment that Cunningham has only basic skills and isn't a very good heavyweight and was never an elite cruiserweight. However, when Fury beat him did he not come off a very good fight against then top 10 contender, Adamek? Yes he did.

In comparison, Wilder's best win, Scott, came off a KO defeat to the man Fury beat twice with ease. I mean, can't you see Fury's resume craps all over Wilder's? Even though it's not good itself.

I wasn't saying it was much, I clearly said "at the very least".

Chisora did beat Helenius who was ranked well within the top 10. He also gave Vitali Klitschko and David Haye some tough fights before proceeding to knockout Scott.

If Chisora and Johnson were good enough to fight Klitschko, they are for sure good enough to fight Tyson Fury. Let's leave that there.

"some were not his fault" - Well, he had 20 or so fights when he stepped up to fight Haye. Wouldn't you say that's a decent step-up for a guy with 20 fights? I would.

[Weebler I]

Fury's doing what the rest of the HW fighters are doing - fighting mediocre opponents in order to ensure he doesn't lose a mandatory (or rankings) position.

If Klitschko would just fight him next we wouldn't have to endure this nonsense.

[kafkod]

Who were they ranked by? Honestly, don't waste your time if you tell me the alphabet organizations ranked them. Because honestly I have not looked at the rankings of the alphabet boys for the better part of the last decade because they are an absolute joke and not a very funny one.

But I do know that Chisora was number six on Boxrec and my question is why???? After all he had not fought anyone relevant after he was easily smoked by part time fighter/actor Haye and did nothing to deserve such a lofty ranking.

And Boxrec does make mistakes, if you don't believe me ask yourself why do they now have Tarver ranked as the sixth best heavyweight in the world and number one in the USA Hell, he hasn't been in a relevant fight in years and the last one he was in wasn't even in the HW division. That is absolutely pathetic.

As far as Cunningham is concerned I don't believe he ever cracked the top ten HW even on Boxrec. But it really doesn't matter because he is an old past his prime small cruiserweight size HW that Fury struggled against. As far as Hammer is concerned he was knocked out by Wach, end of discussion.

Lol. You ask me who they were ranked by, then tell me not to bother answering, because you don't agree with the rankings anyway?

Then you tell me yourself that Chisora was No6 with Boxrec, and ask me why that was?

Well, I'm not on the Boxrec ranking panel, but I presume they had Chisora at No6 because they thought that was where he deserved to be.

So here's a question for you - if you think the rankings are a joke, then why make an issue about where Fury's opponents were ranked?

Have a nice Xmas. Hope you enjoy the ***** eggnog!

[kafkod]

I don't give a monkeys about WBO or Boxrec rankings. WBO also have Charles Martin and Andy Ruiz in the top 10. What does that mean? Hammer is not a top 20 guy and that's the bottom line. And he's certainly no top 15.

It doesn't really matter what Poolev did. He also has a crap resume. And you saw how he got dealt with. Fury should fight someone that at the very least has a similar frame to Wlad.

Why? He isn't fighting Hammer to prepare for Wlad, this is about staying busy/earning money. Fury needs to do both after a year out and 3 wasted training camps due to the Haye fiasco and Chisora's hand injury.

It looks like Wlad is aiming for the WBC belt via Bryant Jennings. If Fury ever does fight him, he's probably going to have to wait quite a while for his chance.

I'm sure he'll prepare himself properly if and when he gets the fight, in the gym with tall sparring partners and probably a tune up also.

Merry Xmas to you mate.

[yoz]

Called it.