Who was/is the best welterweight since Leonard/Hearns?

[LacedUp]

As I said!

The paper champion are a dime a dozen!

The Ortiz is a garbage mentally weak with weak chin who had 1 good win against other hypejob Berto!

What does it matter that Margarito was fought at light middleweight? It's still the same fighter! If anything he would have been an improved Margarito that was a force at Welterweight but would have had an easier time making the weight!

****** nitpicking from the Floyd fanatic!

Judah is garbage 4 round fight who was walked down by the C level MALIGNAGGI and lost to BALDOMIR. Don't talk sir about the Baldomir title he is simple a GARBAGE fighter, the eye test does not tell a lie!

Not to mention the Hatton was man slaughtered by Manny at his ''preferred weight''

read the thread title you spastic.

[Zhang Yong Jun]

Good we agree that he hasn't got any particularly legit wins at WW. He's got Marquez of course which is a good win I suppose, but Marquez really also never beat a legit WW. So your claim that Bradley would beat most of the current top 10 is an opinion, not based on anything factual so let's brush that aside.

Maidana beat WBA champion Adrien Broner who beat another champion in Paulie Malignaggi. He also beat Lopez and Karass. It's not great either, but it is what it is. Not going to go into Guerrero, that wasn't a good win but at least he'd beaten a legit WW in Berto. Victor Ortiz took the 0 from Berto which was a very good win at the time. People crap on it now because of the turn Berto's career has taken but it was a good win at the time.

Judah knocked out Cory Spinks? He was once the legit champion at WW. Lost to Baldomir who Floyd also beat. Hatton beat Castillo and Collazo at WW. Two good wins.

What triangle theory? It's lineage my friend. There's a difference.

Mosley was coming off his career best performance over Margarito. Then fights Floyd and is 'well past his prime' when he gets beat.

Give me a break.

This is a laughable!

The Hatton got manhandled by the average Collazo and beat the ancient Castillo in decent fight.

The Mosley had more than a year layoff and had another training camp for Berto, plus he was 38.

Malignaggi, Lopez and Karass are trash can C level punch bags! The Broner not natural Welterweight so please stop the sniffing of Mayweather bum! Not only was the Malignaggi a C grade bum but the Broner barely win the fight!

Clottey is better than the Maidana and the other garbage fight you mention! He rehydrate to a ripped 170, Cotto is better than those guy to!

This is a ****** post and shows how overrated many of these alphabet champion are!

[Zhang Yong Jun]

read the thread title you spastic.

I did and there is no difference!

If Margarito was a force at Welterweight why would facing Manny at a 150 catchweight change who he is.

Margarito is Margarito and he faced manny with a 20lb functional weight advantage!

What does it matter that it was ''not fought at welterweight'' does margarito weighing in 3 pounds lighter somehow make him a better margarito?

Moroic Floyd bumsniff reaching yet again!

[LacedUp]

This is a laughable!

The Hatton got manhandled by the average Collazo and beat the ancient Castillo in decent fight.

The Mosley had more than a year layoff and had another training camp for Berto, plus he was 38.

Malignaggi, Lopez and Karass are trash can C level punch bags! The Broner not natural Welterweight so please stop the sniffing of Mayweather bum! Not only was the Malignaggi a C grade bum but the Broner barely win the fight!

Clottey is better than the Maidana and the other garbage fight you mention! He rehydrate to a ripped 170, Cotto is better than those guy to!

This is a ****** post and shows how overrated many of these alphabet champion are!

You try to discuss boxing in an otherwise sensible thread and you end up with guys like you. No wonder why NSB is so crap these days.

Feel free never to respond to my posts again.

[John Locke]

Good we agree that he hasn't got any particularly legit wins at WW. He's got Marquez of course which is a good win I suppose, but Marquez really also never beat a legit WW. So your claim that Bradley would beat most of the current top 10 is an opinion, not based on anything factual so let's brush that aside.

Maidana beat WBA champion Adrien Broner who beat another champion in Paulie Malignaggi. He also beat Lopez and Karass. It's not great either, but it is what it is. Not going to go into Guerrero, that wasn't a good win but at least he'd beaten a legit WW in Berto. Victor Ortiz took the 0 from Berto which was a very good win at the time. People crap on it now because of the turn Berto's career has taken but it was a good win at the time.

Judah knocked out Cory Spinks? He was once the legit champion at WW. Lost to Baldomir who Floyd also beat. Hatton beat Castillo and Collazo at WW. Two good wins.

What triangle theory? It's lineage my friend. There's a difference.

Mosley was coming off his career best performance over Margarito. Then fights Floyd and is 'well past his prime' when he gets beat.

Give me a break.

Yep it's an opinion based on common sense. Who in your opinion in the current top 10 would beat Bradley?

Broner was a blown up lightweight when Maidana beat him, plus he's not good. This is why you have to use common sense, you can't always go by what's on paper. Broner beat Pauli who isn't very good himself to win his title. And come on man guys like Ortiz, Berto, Lopez, Karass are C level fighters (they always have been). Even Provodnikov is better than those guys.

Collazo and Spinks were good fighters, but that's all they were, so beating them isn't particularly impressive.

Margs was also well past his prime when Mosley beat him, plus stylistically that fight would've always favoured Mosley. It doesn't mean Mosley wasn't well past his best days when Floyd beat him.

Skillwise you could argue Floyd is a better welterweight, but in terms of resume Pac is clearly ahead I think.

[Zhang Yong Jun]

You try to discuss boxing in an otherwise sensible thread and you end up with guys like you. No wonder why NSB is so crap these days.

Feel free never to respond to my posts again.

You are unable to respond with logic so jump to the emotional hissyfit!

[Pugilist95]

On paper - ODLH

In reality - Pernell Whitaker.

[LacedUp]

I did and there is no difference!

If Margarito was a force at Welterweight why would facing Manny at a 150 catchweight change who he is.

Margarito is Margarito and he faced manny with a 20lb functional weight advantage!

What does it matter that it was ''not fought at welterweight'' does margarito weighing in 3 pounds lighter somehow make him a better margarito?

Moroic Floyd bumsniff reaching yet again!

I'm not even a Floyd fan you mug

So when discussing who the best WW is you don't think we should just take their WW wins? Well let's bring Oscar, Canelo, Cotto etc into the conversation too on Floyd's side. All those guys were WWs at one stage in their careers.

[LacedUp]

Yep it's an opinion based on common sense. Who in your opinion in the current top 10 would beat Bradley?

Broner was a blown up lightweight when Maidana beat him, plus he's not good. This is why you have to use common sense, you can't always go by what's on paper. Broner beat Pauli who isn't very good himself to win his title. And come on man guys like Ortiz, Berto, Lopez, Karass are C level fighters (they always have been). Even Provodnikov is better than those guys.

Collazo and Spinks were good fighters, but that's all they were, so beating them isn't particularly impressive.

Margs was also well past his prime when Mosley beat him, plus styleistically that fight would've always favoured Mosley. It doesn't mean Mosley wasn't well past his best days when Floyd beat him.

Skillwise you could argue Floyd is a better welterweight, but in terms of resume Pac is clearly ahead I think.

What common sense exactly? The guy has lost twice decisively to Manny Pacquiao, had an extremely tough night with LWW Provodnikov and had a close fight with 39 year old Marquez. What common sense are you talking about? I would pick Maidana to beat Bradley, Thurman too probably, Brook, Khan, Mayweather, Pacquiao, maybe Shawn Porter. For me, Bradley's like 7-10. Never been impressed with him.

Yeah Broner was a blown up lightweight, but he was still favoured to win that fight like 4-1. And now of course, he's no good. Right.

I don't think Ortiz and Berto were always C level fighters. They were B level fighters. Guys like Karass and Lopez yes, not very good. Spinks only 'good'? him and Collazo were not the same level fighter! Spinks beat Mayorga and everybody thought he was going to get his ass whupped. And beat Judah also. It is clearly a top win. Spinks was more or less undefeated.

Now Margarito was past his prime too when Mosley fought him? Now I've heard it all.

Honestly, were you following boxing at the time? I ask you this not as an insult but just to clear things up for me? You are rewriting history left right and centre.

[Zhang Yong Jun]

I'm not even a Floyd fan you mug

So when discussing who the best WW is you don't think we should just take their WW wins? Well let's bring Oscar, Canelo, Cotto etc into the conversation too on Floyd's side. All those guys were WWs at one stage in their careers.

What were the WW rankings for 2010?