How Great Was Oscar De La Hoya?

[Mr.Fantastic]

Marvin Hagler is every bit as great as people make him out to be and then some.

Well that's yours and their opinion but I truly don't see it. I think a lot of it has to do with pro nationality.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Well that's yours and their opinion but I truly don't see it. I think a lot of it has to do with pro nationality.

No, Hagler was a great...

Go back and watch him late 70s/early 80s

Two handed power

Southpaw or orthodox

Could outbox you, or bulldoze you

Atg chin

Atg heart

Atg professionalism

Atg will power and heart


Was voted the best p4p fighter for many years in a row...

A true atg in every sense of the word

[LacedUp]

Well that's yours and their opinion but I truly don't see it. I think a lot of it has to do with pro nationality.

lol what? Pro what nationality?

Hagler is 1 billion % an ATG. The guy has an outstanding resume and has never truly been beaten except for maybe against Bobby Watts where he was nowhere near the fighter he would be.

I felt the Leonard fight could have gone either way, the first Vito fight he clearly won and I thought he was robbed against Munroe as well.

Plus he came to bring it every single time he fought. Absolute legend.

[Mr.Fantastic]

No, Hagler was a great...

Go back and watch him late 70s/early 80s

Two handed power

Southpaw or orthodox

Could outbox you, or bulldoze you

Atg chin

Atg heart

Atg professionalism

Atg will power and heart


Was voted the best p4p fighter for many years in a row...

A true atg in every sense of the word

And I acknowledged that he is an ATG.

I have watched his fights. He was exciting to watch but just like the majority of MWs, they depend on guys to come up and fight instead of moving north for the true challenges.

lol what? Pro what nationality?

Hagler is 1 billion % an ATG. The guy has an outstanding resume and has never truly been beaten except for maybe against Bobby Watts where he was nowhere near the fighter he would be.

I felt the Leonard fight could have gone either way, the first Vito fight he clearly won and I thought he was robbed against Munroe as well.

Plus he came to bring it every single time he fought. Absolute legend.

He's far from a legend.

[IronDanHamza]

I think it is.

Whitaker
Chavez Sr.
Quartey
Vargas
Hernandez
Gatti
Camacho

And among others. There are ATGs that have less names on their list. Oscar may not be upper tier ATG but he certainly belongs to be an ATG.

Champion in six divisions, beaten 18 world champions, NEVER fought an opponent with a losing record, achieved P4P #1 boxer in the world at one point(that's with less than 26 fights), and other accomplishments. No Latin/American boxer has achieved champion in 6 divisions yet. Only Manny Pacquiao broke that. ONLY ONE PERSON.

H2H ability has so many flaws though I understand why you do it on as a minor point.

Good resume for sure but me personally what you just listed isn't ATG for me, it's arguable I woudknt say you're wrong for sayin he was. I can see lower tier ATG.

Yeah I suppose on paper you could say he has but I don't think things are what they really seem.

I'll give you an example, on paper Cotto would be probably the most accomplished Puerto Rican fighter ever, 4 weight champion, Top P4P for multiple years in a row. Very few fighters in general have managed to win titles In more than 4 weight classes.

All looks nice on paper, but is his resume better than Carlos Ortiz? Not even remotely close. See what I mean? Sometimes things aren't what they seem on paper.

Let's take Floyd Mayweather, on paper he seems like a Top 10 ATG.

Accomplishments;

Beaten over 15 fighters ranked in the top 5 at the divison being fought in (The Ring)

Beaten NINE fighters ranked #1 in the divison being fought in (The Ring)

Beaten 6 fighters in the Top 10 P4P

Been in the Top 10 P4P list for 16 years, half a decades worth at #1 P4P

5 weight champion, Lineal in 4 of them.

Beaten 8 (possible) hall of Famers (some of those won't make it but for sake of argument say they do)

Who else can you say this about? Very few, if anyone. On paper looks fantastic but in reality he's no where near Top 10 ATG calibur.

Point is, yeah What you said about Oscar looks great on paper but I just don't think he's accomplished more than any Latin fighter or atleast his resume isn't as good as many.

That said, Oscar's being an ATG, whilst I don't agree It is debatable.

[LacedUp]

And I acknowledged that he is an ATG.

I have watched his fights. He was exciting to watch but just like the majority of MWs, they depend on guys to come up and fight instead of moving north for the true challenges.



He's far from a legend.

Hagler is "far from a legend"?

On what planet? Not this one that's for sure.

[slipcatchroll]

Good resume for sure but me personally what you just listed isn't ATG for me, it's arguable I woudknt say you're wrong for sayin he was. I can see lower tier ATG.

Yeah I suppose on paper you could say he has but I don't think things are what they really seem.

I'll give you an example, on paper Cotto would be probably the most accomplished Puerto Rican fighter ever, 4 weight champion, Top P4P for multiple years in a row. Very few fighters in general have managed to win titles In more than 4 weight classes.

All looks nice on paper, but is his resume better than Carlos Ortiz? Not even remotely close. See what I mean? Sometimes things aren't what they seem on paper.

Let's take Floyd Mayweather, on paper he seems like a Top 10 ATG.

Accomplishments;

Beaten over 15 fighters ranked in the top 5 at the divison being fought in (The Ring)

Beaten NINE fighters ranked #1 in the divison being fought in (The Ring)

Beaten 6 fighters in the Top 10 P4P

Been in the Top 10 P4P list for 16 years, half a decades worth at #1 P4P

5 weight champion, Lineal in 4 of them.

Beaten 8 (possible) hall of Famers (some of those won't make it but for sake of argument say they do)

Who else can you say this about? Very few, if anyone. On paper looks fantastic but in reality he's no where near Top 10 ATG calibur.

Point is, yeah What you said about Oscar looks great on paper but I just don't think he's accomplished more than any Latin fighter or atleast his resume isn't as good as many.

That said, Oscar's being an ATG, whilst I don't agree It is debatable.

So your basis for rankings from this post seems to be "he beat this guy who has 40 something wins/KOs who in turn has beaten another guy who has 40 something wins/KOs" therfore ATG.

Do you really think that's more credible than boxrec or achievements??

I really don't think so.

[IronDanHamza]

So your basis for rankings from this post seems to be "he beat this guy who has 40 something wins/KOs who in turn has beaten another guy who has 40 something wins/KOs" therfore ATG.

Do you really think that's more credible than boxrec or achievements??

I really don't think so.

Explain to me how you came to this conclusion from my post.

[LacedUp]

Explain to me how you came to this conclusion from my post.

My guess is he skimmed through it

[lefthook2daliva]

No, Hagler was a great...

Go back and watch him late 70s/early 80s

Two handed power

Southpaw or orthodox

Could outbox you, or bulldoze you

Atg chin

Atg heart

Atg professionalism

Atg will power and heart


Was voted the best p4p fighter for many years in a row...

A true atg in every sense of the word

Lotta folks around here better educated than me, but Hagler declared that his hands were the judges and then proceeded to KTFO 18 or 20 guys in a row.

He is every bit as great as I can express and better.

Marvelous, Big George and Dinamita are my all time favs. Even more than Ali despite having been raised in an Ali household.