How Great Was Oscar De La Hoya?

[LacedUp]

Lotta folks around here better educated than me, but Hagler declared that his hands were the judges and then proceeded to KTFO 18 or 20 guys in a row.

He is every bit as great as I can express and better.

Marvelous, Big George and Dinamita are my all time favs. Even more than Ali despite having been raised in an Ali household.

Yeah I don't know why that guy tries to claim Hagler isn't ATG when he very clearly is.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Good resume for sure but me personally what you just listed isn't ATG for me, it's arguable I woudknt say you're wrong for sayin he was. I can see lower tier ATG.

Yeah I suppose on paper you could say he has but I don't think things are what they really seem.

I'll give you an example, on paper Cotto would be probably the most accomplished Puerto Rican fighter ever, 4 weight champion, Top P4P for multiple years in a row. Very few fighters in general have managed to win titles In more than 4 weight classes.

All looks nice on paper, but is his resume better than Carlos Ortiz? Not even remotely close. See what I mean? Sometimes things aren't what they seem on paper.

Let's take Floyd Mayweather, on paper he seems like a Top 10 ATG.

Accomplishments;

Beaten over 15 fighters ranked in the top 5 at the divison being fought in (The Ring)

Beaten NINE fighters ranked #1 in the divison being fought in (The Ring)

Beaten 6 fighters in the Top 10 P4P

Been in the Top 10 P4P list for 16 years, half a decades worth at #1 P4P

5 weight champion, Lineal in 4 of them.

Beaten 8 (possible) hall of Famers (some of those won't make it but for sake of argument say they do)

Who else can you say this about? Very few, if anyone. On paper looks fantastic but in reality he's no where near Top 10 ATG calibur.

Point is, yeah What you said about Oscar looks great on paper but I just don't think he's accomplished more than any Latin fighter or atleast his resume isn't as good as many.

That said, Oscar's being an ATG, whilst I don't agree It is debatable.

That's why I respect you. While we don't agree, you make me understand where you coming from with your opinion. Lots of posters don't have that.

But see that can also be flipped with ATGs as well. Take Whitaker for example(I'm a huge fan of his btw). He doesn't have a legendary resume but is considered a high tier ATG. Some people even have him as a top 10 ATG. Same thing can be said about Hagler which we have debated on before. After that the minor h2h goes into something major which shouldn't be because it's not an actual fact. If that makes sense?

Hagler is "far from a legend"?

On what planet? Not this one that's for sure.

On this planet.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Yeah I don't know why that guy tries to claim Hagler isn't ATG when he very clearly is.

Who claims he isn't an ATG?

[LacedUp]

Hagler? Serious?!?! lol

There are legends and then there is all time greats in which Oscar belongs in, and then hall of famer.

Who claims he isn't an ATG?

The above post was in response to Sugar Adam Ali calling Hagler a true ATG.

I've just gone through the posts and seen you said "he is an ATG but he's not that great" or something like that.

Is he Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong or Ray Robinson? No. Is he a certified ATG? Yes.

[BigAlexSand]

Oscar was great but against competition that was just as good or better he didn't perform at the level he should have. He didn't live up to the potential he had, too much outside influence. Still a great boxer in his prime.

[LacedUp]

Oscar was great but against competition that was just as good or better he didn't perform at the level he should have. He didn't live up to the potential he had, too much outside influence. Still a great boxer in his prime.

Who specifically are you talking about?

[niceyboo3]

Oscar is an ATG. There are a lot of fighters he would have beat even in their prime. Maybe not pernell. I have oscar in the top 50. Mosley has 2 W's over him, but no Mosley is not a better figther than Oscar. Oscar did not lose that Trinadad fight. That was coasting to an easy win, not running. That fight was not close. Just answering all of the comments..