How Great Was Oscar De La Hoya?

[IronDanHamza]

There was never an offer made to Wright to fight Oscar. Arum himself said that there was no money to be made in fighting Winky Wright.

Complete load of crap.

Winky Wright was offered a De La Hoya fight and Wright turned it down.

This idea that Wright was ducked is a bad joke, he was known for pricing himself out and turning down fights.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Mayweather didn't fight Baldomir the same way Oscar fought Trinidad in those later rounds. But I can't convince delusional people.

Nice save there. You know what I was talking about. I don't deny that Oscar ran for three rounds. While true that he didn't fight Baldomir the same way but he still ran majority of the times.

Boaderline ATG, IMO.

What standard? He has accomplished more than majority of Latin fighters and yet gets borderline?

Please don't tell me you're one of the fantasy fights = higher on ATG list.

[Mr.Fantastic]

There was never an offer made to Wright to fight Oscar. Arum himself said that there was no money to be made in fighting Winky Wright.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=358622

[greeh]

cotto is an ATG, beating the lineal middle weight champ when you started your career at 140 will do that. he is in the same ilk of an ODLH, no doubt although prime for prime, odlh would get the better of him in a head to head.

:rofl2: ..

[IronDanHamza]

Nice save there. You know what I was talking about. I don't deny that Oscar ran for three rounds. While true that he didn't fight Baldomir the same way but he still ran majority of the times.




What standard? He has accomplished more than majority of Latin fighters and yet gets borderline?

Please don't tell me you're one of the fantasy fights = higher on ATG list.

Everyone has there own definition and standard don't they.

For me, it's majority resume, who you beat, when etc. I don't think Oscar's resume (fighters beaten) is strong enough but I will say it's certainly debatable.

I also consider H2H ability aswell, although that side more minor.

I would disagree with you that he's accomplished more than most Latin fighters.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Name one fight where Floyd or Jones ran scared for four rounds the way Oscar did against Trinidad. I'll wait.

Floyd has moved and not looked to engage in plenty of fights..

Last few rounds of canelo, ghost, baldomir, famoso, Maidana 2, etc,,
Roy did it as well...


The difference is floyd and roy are much better at it, and it's part of their game.. That's not oscars style so yeah he looks worse doing it..

But to say guys like floyd, roy, etc haven't done the exact same thing Oscar did is not accurate...

They are just more natural movers, and look a lot better doing it because they spend the whole fit moving around and pot shoting, where Oscar comes to engage more, but is out of his element when trying to be the mover and just preserve the lead... That's not his style, so he looks bad doing it..

But don't act like their isn't a million fighters that haven't coasted to preserve a lead before.. This is nothing new in boxing...

[baya]

:rofl2: ..

true, cotto would probably stop ODLH in his tracks.

[greeh]

true, cotto would probably stop ODLH in his tracks.

It was directed towards the part of him being an "ATG", not whether he would win or lose against De La Hoya.

I've always viewed Cotto as a good, solid fighter that veers between OK and good in most areas, but also with some glaring flaws and without being truly outstanding in any aspect or having some notable attributes whatsoever. Physically feeble and not especially versatile either, more of a jack of all-trades sort of fighter rather than a complete technician.

As far as his ability and tools goes I would say he has squeezed out every drop of his potential and carved out as good career as he was likely to ever do. It is admittedly not over yet, but I would even say he has overachieved to a certain degree.

He's however not likely to have as much success in a stronger era though. Possibly a contender for a while, but eventually burns out and falls off the world stage after some brutal fights due to his less than stellar durability.

That's hardly a bad level to be at, even if people goes batshyte crazy over anyone who doesn’t rate the recent crop of “elite“ fighters as ATG’s.

Everyone has different parameters and definitions of what entitles ATG-status though, mind you, and my view isn’t authority.

[baya]

It was directed towards the part of him being an "ATG", not whether he would win or lose against De La Hoya.

I've always viewed Cotto as a good, solid fighter that veers between OK and good in most areas, but also with some glaring flaws and without being truly outstanding in any aspect or having some notable attributes whatsoever. Physically feeble and not especially versatile either, more of a jack of all-trades sort of fighter rather than a complete technician.

As far as his ability and tools goes I would say he has squeezed out every drop of his potential and carved out as good career as he was likely to ever do. It is admittedly not over yet, but I would even say he has overachieved to a certain degree.

He's however not likely to have as much success in a stronger era though. Possibly a contender for a while, but eventually burns out and falls off the world stage after some brutal fights due to his less than stellar durability.

That's hardly a bad level to be at, even if people goes batshyte crazy over anyone who doesn’t rate the recent crop of “elite“ fighters as ATG’s.

Everyone has different parameters and definitions of what entitles ATG-status though, mind you, and my view isn’t authority.

all this post, in response to sarcasm? get a feel for the land, homes.

[greeh]

all this post, in response to sarcasm? get a feel for the land, homes.

I have at least explained my stance and why I think so.

I took for granted that you were serious. Finding a poster of Puerto Rican (which I presume you are?) descent on this board without strong nationalistic bias is about as likely as that Santa Claus exists.