How Great Was Oscar De La Hoya?

[Mr.Fantastic]

Everyone has there own definition and standard don't they.

For me, it's majority resume, who you beat, when etc. I don't think Oscar's resume (fighters beaten) is strong enough but I will say it's certainly debatable.

I also consider H2H ability aswell, although that side more minor.

I would disagree with you that he's accomplished more than most Latin fighters.

I think it is.

Whitaker
Chavez Sr.
Quartey
Vargas
Hernandez
Gatti
Camacho

And among others. There are ATGs that have less names on their list. Oscar may not be upper tier ATG but he certainly belongs to be an ATG.

Champion in six divisions, beaten 18 world champions, NEVER fought an opponent with a losing record, achieved P4P #1 boxer in the world at one point(that's with less than 26 fights), and other accomplishments. No Latin/American boxer has achieved champion in 6 divisions yet. Only Manny Pacquiao broke that. ONLY ONE PERSON.

H2H ability has so many flaws though I understand why you do it on as a minor point.

[JTfloyd]

You seem to conveniently leave out the timing of those fights. Whitaker and Chavez were well past their best and Oscar clearly lost to Mayweather and Mosley 1 in spite of those bogus scorecards.

That running against Trinidad is not what a great fighter does. Oscar was good but padding his resume won't make him great.


Not close to being one of the best offensive fighters of all time either. Oscar never had much of a right hand and relied heavily on his left.

Thank you, sir. The DLH fans list all the names, but WHEN he fought them has to be taken into consideration.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Thank you, sir. The DLH fans list all the names, but WHEN he fought them has to be taken into consideration.

Why don't you read the posts before you comment...


Please quote where it was claimed chavez and pernell were prime...


It was a timeline of his career...

Did he not fight chavez in 96 in his first big PPv for 140 belt

Did he not dethrone pernell who was the longtime welter champ...



Where does it say anything about them being prime.... The posts even bring up chavez's prior losses...



So please quote what your talking about, or at least read it, or just stfu

[loui_ludwig]

Oscar so great that Floyd and Pac became A-side after he fought them.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Thank you, sir. The DLH fans list all the names, but WHEN he fought them has to be taken into consideration.

When?

Molina prime
Bredahl prime
Genaro prime
Leija prime
Ruelas prime
Chavez past prime champ
Pernell past prime champ but still top 5 p4p
Camacho past prime
Chavez 2. Completely past prime
Ike prime undefeated
Tito prime undefeated top 6 p4p
Shane prime undefeated top 6 p4p
Gatti prime
Castellejo prime 154 champ
Vargas prime 154 champ
Mosely 2 close to prime
Sturm undefeated prime 160 champ
Hopkins p4p #1 undisputed champ
Mayorga past prime 154 champ
Floyd prime undefeated p4p #1
Manny prime p4p #1



Does that satisfy your need to WHEN Oscar fought guys.....

You have to be an idiot to doubt oscars resume or to claim he fought old fighters.....


Please list Floyd's fights WHEN he fought them, or any other fighter,, nobody fought more threats than Oscar did,,,

[TexasBoxing]

checkmate.

[Cinci Champ]

When hoya was cash cow, we never used the word "duck" or "boring".

you also never used the word win either u have to be hated to be ducking someone no matter who u fight when ur the "hero" its not like that

[LacedUp]

Thank you, sir. The DLH fans list all the names, but WHEN he fought them has to be taken into consideration.

Oscar is the one guy who fought absolutely everyone at the time they were in their prime. Similar to a sugar ray leonard.

[LacedUp]

I think he's an ATG but he's not all that great what people make him out to be.

Marvin Hagler is every bit as great as people make him out to be and then some.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Oscar is the one guy who fought absolutely everyone at the time they were in their prime. Similar to a sugar ray leonard.

Exactly.... It's like dudes ignore the 20 prime fighters he fought and only focus on pernell and chavez..

It's like- when in the hell was he supposed to fight them.. Build a time machine and go back to 89...


To beat the man, you have to beat the man, and chavez was the man at 140, and pernell was the man at 147 when Oscar fought them...