I think it's safe to say, Mayweather has probably the best defence in boxing history

[dan_cov]

Donaire did lose during those weight jumps and he went 3 weights I think.

Broner went 3 before losing but he didn't fight any ranked fighters other than Demarco.

Floyds fought 16 fighters ranked in the top 5 in division being fought in, that's a large amount. Not many others have beaten that many especially in the modern era. That's aswell as numerous P4P fighters, 5 weight classes and without a loss. Now you could say "well he was matched carefully" well why hasn't anyone else done it then if it's that easy? If it was so simple that someone like Joan Guzman could go through 5 weights in 18 years and fight over 15 to ranked guys and numerous P4P fighters then again why hasn't anyone else done it?

Realistically Floyd has avoided 2 fighters and that's Johnston and Margarito. So I disagree there aswell.

I'm not slating you here Dan you're a good guy and know your stuff but I think you're wrong here.

It would be hard to achieve regardless but his star power sure helps. He could fight anyone and crack a million PPVs.

And Manny though I do think they both could of done more. What about Paul Williams?
I don't know about TV networks and all that but I feel for most part he has fought the highest ranked, least risk/easiest fight going.
I don't understand why he couldn't fight like for example guys like Lara, Bradley, Pacquaio, Margarito, Cassamayor, Williams, Freitas, Sergio (maybe too much) instead of guys like Maidana, Ortiz, Boldomir & so on. I get Guerrero because the Manny fight wasn't happening, he'd already beat Marquez and sadly Guerrero was one of the best at the time.

I don't think its a coincidence that a good few of those could of caused problems. I think back to Castillo 1, Oscar, Cotto & more recently Maidana and I look back and think maybe Margarito for example was a big threat at the time after all.

[IronDanHamza]

It would be hard to achieve regardless but his star power sure helps. He could fight anyone and crack a million PPVs.

And Manny though I do think they both could of done more. What about Paul Williams?
I don't know about TV networks and all that but I feel for most part he has fought the highest ranked, least risk/easiest fight going.
I don't understand why he couldn't fight like for example guys like Lara, Bradley, Pacquaio, Margarito, Cassamayor, Williams, Freitas, Sergio (maybe too much) instead of guys like Maidana, Ortiz, Boldomir & so on. I get Guerrero because the Manny fight wasn't happening, he'd already beat Marquez and sadly Guerrero was one of the best at the time.

I don't think its a coincidence that a good few of those could of caused problems. I think back to Castillo 1, Oscar, Cotto & more recently Maidana and I look back and think maybe Margarito for example was a big threat at the time after all.

His star power has only been there from 2007. He was a pro for 10 years before then I know you say that you adknowledge the work he did but why is that brushed aside? "Yeah he did good work in his younger years but" but what? It's not deleted from history. And I think his work from 07-14 is very very good aswell anyway. Some not so great fights here and there but overall very good.

Well Floyd tried to make some of those, Casamayor, Tszyu, Freitas these are fights he wanted. Margarito and Johnston he avoided I hold my hands up to that but the fighters he "avoided" are embarrassingly overstated.

We all know the deal with Pacquiao. Neither have wanted that since 2010.

Some of these guys listed are the same level as guys he's already beaten aswell.

[dan_cov]

His star power has only been there from 2007. He was a pro for 10 years before then I know you say that you adknowledge the work he did but why is that brushed aside? "Yeah he did good work in his younger years but" but what? It's not deleted from history. And I think his work from 07-14 is very very good aswell anyway. Some not so great fights here and there but overall very good.

Well Floyd tried to make some of those, Casamayor, Tszyu, Freitas these are fights he wanted. Margarito and Johnston he avoided I hold my hands up to that but the fighters he "avoided" are embarrassingly overstated.

We all know the deal with Pacquiao. Neither have wanted that since 2010.

Some of these guys listed are the same level as guys he's already beaten aswell.

I give him full credit for early in his career its post Oscar I don't give him big credit for, that win gave him superstar status and he has very carefully handpicked his opposition since because he is in a position where he can do so.

I agree some of those are the same level, a few below even but if it wasn't for vacations and fighting once a year if that he could of fought most and he probably should of chosen a few instead of guys around the same level but stylistically easy fights.

I just struggle so badly to give him big props for Marquez for example but for some reason its apparently a great win only now because he has another great fighters number. Its giving him credit for Marquez's win basically, that isn't right.
Pacquaio and Marquez could fight at any weight he will always give Pacquaio everything he can handle.

He has good wins after Oscar but so many rubbish ones and tarnished wins. I'm tired now and don't know what I am saying

[IronDanHamza]

I give him full credit for early in his career its post Oscar I don't give him big credit for, that win gave him superstar status and he has very carefully handpicked his opposition since because he is in a position where he can do so.

I agree some of those are the same level, a few below even but if it wasn't for vacations and fighting once a year if that he could of fought most and he probably should of chosen a few instead of guys around the same level but stylistically easy fights.

I just struggle so badly to give him big props for Marquez for example but for some reason its apparently a great win only now because he has another great fighters number. Its giving him credit for Marquez's win basically, that isn't right.
Pacquaio and Marquez could fight at any weight he will always give Pacquaio everything he can handle.

He has good wins after Oscar but so many rubbish ones and tarnished wins. I'm tired now and don't know what I am saying

Haha we went way off topic.

Good discussion Dan.

I think you should take back the Guzman comment though

[Fists_of_Fury]

What fighters have fought a better resume than Floyd from 07-present? What other fighter during that time holds lineal titles in 2 weight classes at the same time? Politics and network **** isn't only Floyd's fault lol. Who fought more former, current, or future champions during that time? I feel like Floyd could beat Klit for the heavy strap and still get **** on for it afterwards lol. If he stayed with the pretty boy persona instead of money he'd get half the hate he has now but also half the earnings he got from his haters.

[Elroy1]

It cannot be argued he has the best defence in history.

Anybody who can DUCK like that has my vote for it!

[Elroy1]

What fighters have fought a better resume than Floyd from 07-present? What other fighter during that time holds lineal titles in 2 weight classes at the same time? Politics and network **** isn't only Floyd's fault lol. Who fought more former, current, or future champions during that time? I feel like Floyd could beat Klit for the heavy strap and still get **** on for it afterwards lol. If he stayed with the pretty boy persona instead of money he'd get half the hate he has now but also half the earnings he got from his haters.

I think Pac fought about the same.

[GOD-FR33]

Whitaker.....

I disagree. You newbies have a lot to learn about the sport. Pernell Sweet Pea Whitaker is the greatest defensive fighter, EVER; followed by Willie Pepp.

[Elroy1]

I disagree. You newbies have a lot to learn about the sport. Pernell Sweet Pea Whitaker is the greatest defensive fighter, EVER; followed by Willie Pepp.

Floyd has better defence than Whitaker or Pepp, don't be ****** old man!

Problem with Floyd, is that he just KEEPS runnin'

[Doctor_Tenma]

I disagree. You newbies have a lot to learn about the sport. Pernell Sweet Pea Whitaker is the greatest defensive fighter, EVER; followed by Willie Pepp.

It's not that cut and dry. I've followed Whitaker's career and let me tell you, it's not even debatable that he got hit more than Mayweather, he did. Only reason Whitaker is in contention is because, while he was a great defensive fighter, he was more offensive minded than Mayweather, much more of a combination puncher. When he wasn't showboating he was equally/ or harder to hit than Mayweather, the issue is he showboated a lot and hit the canvas as a result.

This is why it's insanely difficult to say who was the greatest defensive fighter ever.