I think it's safe to say, Mayweather has probably the best defence in boxing history

[TheRichCoward]

Guzman has fought those kind of opponents except much worse and looked worse so again I can't see how that's a logical line of thinking.

Saying people could do the same. Who? Who could go through that resume undefeated and losing such a low amount of rounds? Pacquaio wouldn't, Marquez wouldn't, not many would.

You're saying on one hand Rigondeuax can't get fights, that's true. But then your listing fighters Floyd didn't fight like they were his fault (Tszyu, Casamayor)

I just don't think it's sound logic. If Rigondeaux has fougt a "range of styles" then so has Floyd just better fighters. Guzman? Come on. Imagine if Floyd fought Guzman's opposition, imagine that. He wouldn't have lost a round in his career probably.

Floyd's fought top ranked fighters, top P4P fighters, in 5 divisons. And you're telling me Guzman would have similar success if he were to do this?

This is true, he fought the unbeatable Victor Ortiz Roberto Guerrero Marcos Maidana twice

Those P4P's like Corley and Baldomir.

[IronDanHamza]

This is true, he fought the unbeatable Victor Ortiz Roberto Guerrero Marcos Maidana twice

Those P4P's like Corley and Baldomir.

Well yes all 3 of those were top 5 at WW.

Neither of those 2 were P4P but of course you know that.

What's your point in listing these fighters?

[Kagami Taiga]

Well yes all 3 of those were top 5 at WW.

Neither of those 2 were P4P but of course you know that.

What's your point in listing these fighters?

He has no point. He's not even trying to debate. Just trolling. He's just not good at it. This site is full of his type lately.

[Kagami Taiga]

It's been well documented that Corrales was severely weight drained for the Floyd fight and had other issues like preparing to go to jail ......

Oh u mean like when Floyd was going to jail when he fought cotto. Stop making excuses. A fighter's job is to be prepared. If he isn't, that's not an excuse. That's a failure.

[dan_cov]

Guzman has fought those kind of opponents except much worse and looked worse so again I can't see how that's a logical line of thinking.

Saying people could do the same. Who? Who could go through that resume undefeated and losing such a low amount of rounds? Pacquaio wouldn't, Marquez wouldn't, not many would.

You're saying on one hand Rigondeuax can't get fights, that's true. But then your listing fighters Floyd didn't fight like they were his fault (Tszyu, Casamayor)

I just don't think it's sound logic. If Rigondeaux has fougt a "range of styles" then so has Floyd just better fighters. Guzman? Come on. Imagine if Floyd fought Guzman's opposition, imagine that. He wouldn't have lost a round in his career probably.

Floyd's fought top ranked fighters, top P4P fighters, in 5 divisons. And you're telling me Guzman would have similar success if he were to do this?

Sure hes struggled with much lesser fighters as has Floyd.
Hearns, Duran, Whitaker in their prime go straight through them IMO
They're are probably suited to Floyds style and attributes though.
I think many fighters could fight a similar level of opposition that are 95% stylistically made to order and go through them undefeated Ward for one, possibly Kovalev, GGG with the right opposition in front of him.

Rigondeaux only has 14 pro fights & didn't turn pro until 30, unless he can land the fights and stay on his A game until 40 he won't get the chance. I'm sure if he was in a position where he could pick and choose he could well to 40+
Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero are they really any better than say an Agbeko? who Rigondeaux doesn't even get any credit for.

Who are these top p4p fighters? I legitimately don't know. Hatton I assume, possibly Canelo who didn't belong there and actually had no stand out wins but Trout in a fight he arguably lost.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Oh u mean like when Floyd was going to jail when he fought cotto. Stop making excuses. A fighter's job is to be prepared. If he isn't, that's not an excuse. That's a failure.

On top of that he's questioning one of the mentally strongest in Corrales, they don't know how ridiculous they sound.

[IronDanHamza]

Sure hes struggled with much lesser fighters as has Floyd.
Hearns, Duran, Whitaker in their prime go straight through them IMO
They're are probably suited to Floyds style and attributes though.
I think many fighters could fight a similar level of opposition that are 95% stylistically made to order and go through them undefeated Ward for one, possibly Kovalev, GGG with the right opposition in front of him.

Rigondeaux only has 14 pro fights & didn't turn pro until 30, unless he can land the fights and stay on his A game until 40 he won't get the chance. I'm sure if he was in a position where he could pick and choose he could well to 40+
Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero are they really any better than say an Agbeko? who Rigondeaux doesn't even get any credit for.

Who are these top p4p fighters? I legitimately don't know. Hatton I assume, possibly Canelo who didn't belong there and actually had no stand out wins but Trout in a fight he arguably lost.

As has Floyd? The guys Floyd have struggled with are far and beyond better than anything Guzman has fought.

Hearns ain't making 140 down, Duran and Whitaker would but I mean this era not past eras. Even still 130-154 it would be hard to find a guy who goes through it undefeated.

I doubt it, not though 5 weight classes and constantly against top ranked guys. Ward perhaps If here smaller, still doubt it.

Of course they're better than shot to **** Agbeko. And I agree with Rigondeaux that's his problem but the point is you're citing him as the best defensive fighter you've seen by fighting all these styles when most aren't good fighters and on the same token discrediting Floyd because of opposition when only is his opposition level drastically better he's also fought th same styles using the same logic. It doesn't really make any sense.

P4P fighters Floyd has fought;

Corrales - #5
Hatton - #8
Marquez - #2
Mosley - #3
Canelo - #9
Guererro - #10 (disagree with this)

Judah was P4P fight before he fought Floyd but lost to Baldomir and Cotto and I think Castillo went on to be P4P after Floyd.

So quite a few.

[dan_cov]

As has Floyd? The guys Floyd have struggled with are far and beyond better than anything Guzman has fought.

Hearns ain't making 140 down, Duran and Whitaker would but I mean this era not past eras. Even still 130-154 it would be hard to find a guy who goes through it undefeated.

I doubt it, not though 5 weight classes and constantly against top ranked guys. Ward perhaps If here smaller, still doubt it.

Of course they're better than shot to **** Agbeko. And I agree with Rigondeaux that's his problem but the point is you're citing him as the best defensive fighter you've seen by fighting all these styles when most aren't good fighters and on the same token discrediting Floyd because of opposition when only is his opposition level drastically better he's also fought th same styles using the same logic. It doesn't really make any sense.

P4P fighters Floyd has fought;

Corrales - #5
Hatton - #8
Marquez - #2
Mosley - #3
Canelo - #9
Guererro - #10 (disagree with this)

Judah was P4P fight before he fought Floyd but lost to Baldomir and Cotto and I think Castillo went on to be P4P after Floyd.

So quite a few.

In this era through 5 weights then probably none, maybe none ever doing it whilst through the same weights but I still think several from previous eras could go through a good few.
Donaire for example he went through 3-4 weights without a loss beating a few p4p guys and such and looked great because for most part they was stylistically made to order.
I was harsh on him too for his opponent selection, I never seen him as a top 5 P4P level fighter or elite. He is a very good fighter and I know I am bashing Rigondeaux's best win but I feel a lot of it was to do with very good matchmaking.
I do think Floyd has beaten good fighters, much better earlier in his career when he wasn't so hesitant to fight legitimate threats and I aware you can pick anyones resume apart but I feel hes been avoiding said threats and wisely picking his opponents for some years. (albeit top rated ones)
Its like he will avoid the threats and bides his time and selects a top rated fighter so people don't complain and will just justify it via rankings for example but it'll be an opponent IE Canelo who couldn't make him look any greater if he tried.

Thanks, strongly disagree with the latter two but I guess Guerrero got there for leaping two weight divisions.

[IronDanHamza]

In this era through 5 weights then probably none, maybe none ever doing it whilst through the same weights but I still think several from previous eras could go through a good few.
Donaire for example he went through 3-4 weights without a loss beating a few p4p guys and such and looked great because for most part they was stylistically made to order.
I was harsh on him too for his opponent selection, I never seen him as a top 5 P4P level fighter or elite. He is a very good fighter and I know I am bashing Rigondeaux's best win but I feel a lot of it was to do with very good matchmaking.
I do think Floyd has beaten good fighters, much better earlier in his career when he wasn't so hesitant to fight legitimate threats and I aware you can pick anyones resume apart but I feel hes been avoiding said threats and wisely picking his opponents for some years. (albeit top rated ones)
Its like he will avoid the threats and bides his time and selects a top rated fighter so people don't complain and will just justify it via rankings for example but it'll be an opponent IE Canelo who couldn't make him look any greater if he tried.

Thanks, strongly disagree with the latter two but I guess Guerrero got there for leaping two weight divisions.

Donaire did lose during those weight jumps and he went 3 weights I think.

Broner went 3 before losing but he didn't fight any ranked fighters other than Demarco.

Floyds fought 16 fighters ranked in the top 5 in division being fought in, that's a large amount. Not many others have beaten that many especially in the modern era. That's aswell as numerous P4P fighters, 5 weight classes and without a loss. Now you could say "well he was matched carefully" well why hasn't anyone else done it then if it's that easy? If it was so simple that someone like Joan Guzman could go through 5 weights in 18 years and fight over 15 to ranked guys and numerous P4P fighters then again why hasn't anyone else done it?

Realistically Floyd has avoided 2 fighters and that's Johnston and Margarito. So I disagree there aswell.

I'm not slating you here Dan you're a good guy and know your stuff but I think you're wrong here.

[Lords]

Floyds Defense < Floyd's Offense