I think it's safe to say, Mayweather has probably the best defence in boxing history

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Who is everyone ya dumb fck lol , 99% of fighters and trainers say Floyd wins and is a better fighter , underage fanboys dont count in the real world outside of this forum .

A very high percentage of fighters/trainers said that Oscar vs Manny was a joke of a fight because Oscar would annihilate Manny. So there goes your logic.

The point is, until they fight, you never know what will happen. It should have happened a long time ago. Now if they fight, it will still be nice to see but not the same.

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If you say his defense is the greatest in boxing history, then you would have to make the argument that Maidana is one of the greatest punchers of all time for him to land on Mayweather 221 times in their first fight.

As boxing fans, we want to believe our sport is still thriving, but it's not, it's in decline.

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A very high percentage of fighters/trainers said that Oscar vs Manny was a joke of a fight because Oscar would annihilate Manny. So there goes your logic.

The point is, until they fight, you never know what will happen. It should have happened a long time ago. Now if they fight, it will still be nice to see but not the same.

Prior to the fight they didnt know Oscar was going to need IV fluid transfusions only to come in on fight night 2 lbs lighter than Manny , the 160 lb version that Floyd beat KOs Manny out of the park lol .

Fck you people are so dumb , read the fine print attached to these fights you might learn something .

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I think the defence that Jack Dempsey presented to his wife the night he was beaten by Gene Tunney was pretty good - "Honey, I forgot to duck."

You see what I did there folks? Well that's as good as it's getting.

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I think the defence that Jack Dempsey presented to his wife the night he was beaten by Gene Tunney was pretty good - "Honey, I forgot to duck."

You see what I did there folks? Well that's as good as it's getting.

That was pretty good

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Nor do i know how to make such a distinction my friend. heres an idea though that I have considered. When a guy generates his talents from stopping the other guy's offense we have a great paradox where the actual ability to be defensive becomes offensive. In this regard we might consider Ali as a great defensive fighter....maybe even the greatest. Ali would often let a man throw combos that hit nothng but air, then simply throw a few jabs in the round. Ali worked defensively against Foreman and then beat him up When Foreman, dispirited and tired, became convinced he could not hurt Ali.

Now lets do some comparison shopping with defensive ability in mind: Floyd could not neutralize Castillo with his defense, while Ali, even though he got hit a few times, was able to defensively defeat Foreman.

I use Ali as an example, we also have guys like Pee Wee who were usually unhittable which is an attribute of great d as well (he was so angry against Roger Mayweather this fight was a bit of an exception).

If we compare Jones to Whitaker, Jones defensive ability was his speed and offense. It was exclusively the promise that he would catch you if you went after him...even if you did not! Whitaker, by comparison was succesful when he avoided the punches of the other guy and like Ali...dispirited and confused his opponent.

So this is a start at least

Ali didn't defensively shut down Foreman he let him beat on his body until he got tired than beat him. Hell Castillo never landed on Floyd's head and he made the fight easier in the rematch. Pea had problems with Buddy Mcgirt and Roger. Frazier and Norton gave Ali hell. No one fight determines your defensive capability because it's going to be somebody who will give you hell.

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Prior to the fight they didnt know Oscar was going to need IV fluid transfusions only to come in on fight night 2 lbs lighter than Manny , the 160 lb version that Floyd beat KOs Manny out of the park lol .

Fck you people are so dumb , read the fine print attached to these fights you might learn something .

The fight prior to Manny, Oscar had fought at 150. So it was only 3lbs that Oscar had to come down and thought it would be easy enough to do. A lot easier than Manny coming up 3 divisions (1 fight at 135 only).

Oscar said BEFOREHAND that he was trying to come extra light for the fight INTENTIONALLY to gain speed. Oscar was already down in weight days before the weigh in. Maybe he did do what Roach said, maybe he didn't. The point is that all those experts in the world didn't take into account that Oscar would be coming in at 147 and it may affect him negatively.

Oscar may have been drained like Diego Corrales when he faced Floyd. Diego's situation was better documented. Oscar never really came out and said what he did to get down to his weight. Sometimes you do everything right or think that is right but your body reacts negatively on fight night.


Again, you are wrong. Those so-called experts just thought that one would do better and missed a few important points. The point is, until they fight, nobody really knows. That is why they needed to fight but they didn't.

Many so called experts say that Floyd is scared to lose his "0", so that is why there has been no fight. I guess that you are agreeing with that too, right?

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Ali didn't defensively shut down Foreman he let him beat on his body until he got tired than beat him. Hell Castillo never landed on Floyd's head and he made the fight easier in the rematch. Pea had problems with Buddy Mcgirt and Roger. Frazier and Norton gave Ali hell. No one fight determines your defensive capability because it's going to be somebody who will give you hell.

Floyd counts on his opponent tiring out too in many of his fights.

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The fight prior to Manny, Oscar had fought at 150. So it was only 3lbs that Oscar had to come down and thought it would be easy enough to do. A lot easier than Manny coming up 3 divisions (1 fight at 135 only).

Oscar said BEFOREHAND that he was trying to come extra light for the fight INTENTIONALLY to gain speed. Oscar was already down in weight days before the weigh in. Maybe he did do what Roach said, maybe he didn't. The point is that all those experts in the world didn't take into account that Oscar would be coming in at 147 and it may affect him negatively.

Oscar may have been drained like Diego Corrales when he faced Floyd. Diego's situation was better documented. Oscar never really came out and said what he did to get down to his weight. Sometimes you do everything right or think that is right but your body reacts negatively on fight night.


Again, you are wrong. Those so-called experts just thought that one would do better and missed a few important points. The point is, until they fight, nobody really knows. That is why they needed to fight but they didn't.

Many so called experts say that Floyd is scared to lose his "0", so that is why there has been no fight. I guess that you are agreeing with that too, right?

Manny would rehydrate to about 145 so basically he fought Oscar at what he usually would come into the ring at. Oscar usually rehydrated prob mid 160's to lose weight after a weigh in shows his body failed hI'm which is no faults of Mannys. But it is what it is he tried to pick on a smaller fighter and paid the price for it.