Is Froch an ATG

[P4P Opinion]

we've got a thread dedicated to figuring out whether or not carl froch is an all time great. we're not allowed to talk about his resume, or how poorly he did against the best fighter of his generation at the weight. ability and resume are off limits.


let's talk instead about how hot his girlfriend is, how much money he makes.

I feel like I'm trying to explain algebra to a tree. Who said you couldn't criticise Froch's resume? You're welcome to criticise his resume, and you're welcome to take an artificially negative viewpoint of every victory on Froch's resume, as you have (I don't believe that you mean it, you're trolling out of some perception that Froch gets overrated by his fans at the expense of Andre Ward), just as I'm welcome to criticise your argument. That's debate.

[joseph5620]

He'll deservedly go to the hall of fame. He's an exceptional fighter. But he's not an all time great by my standards. Some people are too generous with that title.

[IronDanHamza]

we've got a thread dedicated to figuring out whether or not carl froch is an all time great. we're not allowed to talk about his resume, or how poorly he did against the best fighter of his generation at the weight. ability and resume are off limits.


let's talk instead about how hot his girlfriend is, how much money he makes.

It's bad luck on Froch's part that the best SMW of his era is the best SMW of all time.

[Larry the boss]

ok lets compare it, hearns resume:

Leonard - atg- lose and draw(possibly win) - foty and nomination of foty
duran - atg - win - k.o of the year
hagler - atg - lose - foty
benitez - hof - win - nomination of foty
virgil hill - hof - win -
cuevas - hof - win -
iran barkley - borderline hof - lose 2x foty
roldan - good - win
andries - good - win
muangsurin - good - win
doug dewitt - wbo mw champ- win
eddie gazo - wba lmw champ- win
mark medal - ibf lmw champ- win
espada - wba ww champ- win
bruce curry - wba slw champ- win
james shuler- win
james kinchen- win

so that stacked resume and acclompisment it's not definitely better than froch?? Care to give us froch stacked resume?? Does he even have a hof in there? Maybe ward but froch lose right??

loses do not count on resumes man

[betmen]

loses do not count on resumes man

it count if they're FOTY loses, and they're not just FOTY loses but hearns defeat to SRL and Hagler are ATG moments

[bklynboy]

loses do not count on resumes man

It depends on how you lose. Billy Conn losing to Joe Louis is not the same as some "bum" losing to Joe Louis. Frazier losing to Ali in the Thrila in Manila is not the same as Wepner losing to Ali. Hearns losing to SRL was not a bum's loss. He pushed SRL (arguably the best fighter in the last 30 years) to the limit. "You're blowing it son. You're blowing it."

[LacedUp]

It depends on how you lose. Billy Conn losing to Joe Louis is not the same as some "bum" losing to Joe Louis. Frazier losing to Ali in the Thrila in Manila is not the same as Wepner losing to Ali. Hearns losing to SRL was not a bum's loss. He pushed SRL (arguably the best fighter in the last 30 years) to the limit. "You're blowing it son. You're blowing it."

On that same token, Froch only has a losing record to Andre Ward, possibly the greatest SMW of all time.