Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” - Golovkin: Waiting Game or Weight Game

[Foreign Soil]

Hopkins called out GGG and Andre Ward called out GGG as well. It would not be a surprise if Top Rank is behind this article. Look at what he did to Rigo. Gennady Golovkin is complaining that the smaller fighters don't want to fight him. And he does not help his case, by refusing to fight Hopkins or Andre Ward.

I seem to remember Hopkins turning down some sort of offer to fight GGG but I don't know what it was exactly. I wonder what demands Ward would make to accept a GGG offer...

[IronDanHamza]

If they win a world title they will be, particularly the unbeaten Korobov.



Difference from Hopkins is Golovkin's following grows with every fight. From his promoter's perspective, what's the point of their MW moving up to SMW to possibly get beat and lose momentum when it's not even a PPV fight.

From a fans perspective, if he does move up for a non-PPV bout, Ward is hardly the most exciting of match-ups, the rumored Kessler bout is much more exciting.

Why would that matter if he loses I thought you want the best to fight the best? Losing is part of the sport.

He's not gettig Cotto or Canelo so what's the point in staying at 160 other than destroy all the fringe contenders?

168 is where the challenges are and where the money is because Cotto not Canelo are going to take that fight.

[Dr Rumack]

There's some people who are holding Hopkin's reign as a model example of what Golovkin should do, which I just don't understand. Fight less than stellar opposition for years until one day he finds his Oscar instead of moving up against legit opposition when the opportunity comes.

You can't account for the strange manner in which things get remembered. Some of the same people who glorify B-Hop's middleweight reign are the ones currently slating GGG for not facing better opposition.

Similarly, most of B-Hop's career defining wins came against naturally smaller guys moving up to face him. Again, Golovkin gets slated by some for doing the same thing in pursuing a fight with Canelo or Cotto.

And the weebler's right, Golovkin is becoming a star during his middleweight run which is quite different to B-Hop. Given the events of this weekend it's hard to see where the pressure is going to come from for a move up.

[Weebler I]

Why would that matter if he loses I thought you want the best to fight the best?

If you read, when I mentioned "getting beat" it was looking at it from the promoter's perspective. It makes no sense for them to send Golovkin to 168 to fight a mediocre draw off PPV. Golovkin just earned $1m to fight Rubio, why would he go north 8lbs to fight Ward?

To be clear, I have no issue with Golovkin moving up to fight Ward but it's not a bout that excites me much either, 12 round tussle with a lot of clinching. I also don't like Chavez fight after watching their one-sided sparring session although that's a fight that makes financial sense to K2.

Kessler and/or Froch v Golovkin to me are much more exciting fights, even Anthony Dirrell and Groves match-ups are more interesting than Ward. I pick Kessler to beat Golovkin by stoppage.

As to best v best, Golovkin isn't the best at 168 any more than Danny Garcia is the best at 147, they still have opponents to take care of at 140 and 160 respectively. A fighter should always face the best in his own division first.

He's not gettig Cotto or Canelo so what's the point in staying at 160 other than destroy all the fringe contenders?

I don't want to see those fights, they're not seasoned MWs and would get hammered. At 160 I want to see Golovkin v Murray and Korobov (if he beats Lee). A Lemiuex fight is a good fight too and Quillin if he ever escapes Haymon's dungeon.

168 is where the challenges are and where the money is because Cotto not Canelo are going to take that fight.

Again Golovkin earned $1m to fight Rubio, and that will likely increase against future opponents. Off PPV at 168, he's unlikely to make significantly more than that to make it worth it in his promoter's eyes.

[IronDanHamza]

If you read, when I mentioned "getting beat" it was looking at it from the promoter's perspective. It makes no sense for them to send Golovkin to 168 to fight a mediocre draw off PPV. Golovkin just earned $1m to fight Rubio, why would he go north 8lbs to fight Ward?

To be clear, I have no issue with Golovkin moving up to fight Ward but it's not a bout that excites me much either, 12 round tussle with a lot of clinching. I also don't like Chavez fight after watching their one-sided sparring session although that's a fight that makes financial sense to K2.

Kessler and/or Froch v Golovkin to me are much more exciting fights, even Anthony Dirrell and Groves match-ups are more interesting than Ward. I pick Kessler to beat Golovkin by stoppage.

As to best v best, Golovkin isn't the best at 168 any more than Danny Garcia is the best at 147, they still have opponents to take care of at 140 and 160 respectively. A fighter should always face the best in his own division first.



I don't want to see those fights, they're not seasoned MWs and would get hammered. At 160 I want to see Golovkin v Murray and Korobov (if he beats Lee). A Lemiuex fight is a good fight too and Quillin if he ever escapes Haymon's dungeon.



Again Golovkin earned $1m to fight Rubio, and that will likely increase against future opponents. Off PPV at 168, he's unlikely to make significantly more than that to make it worth it in his promoter's eyes.

You don't usually look at things from a "promoters view". I guess that's what you're going to go with for Golovkin.

What happened to being fans and not caring about financials and just wanting challenges?

Golvkin has zero challenges at 160 lbs.

[Weebler I]

You don't usually look at things from a "promoters view". I guess that's what you're going to go with for Golovkin.

Did you miss the part where I said fan's perspective? The promoter perspective was a reply to DS mentioning Oscar which I assumed was a reference to the money he brought in as opposed to his quality at MW where most felt he lost to Sturm. It seems like you're more interested in attacking me than the boxing discussion.

What happened to being fans and not caring about financials and just wanting challenges? Golovkin has zero challenges at 160 lbs.

As to challenges at 160, we can't know that without him fighting the others. He'll be favored but he still has to do it otherwise it's just fantasy wins. If he moves up now, his MW record basically amounts to Macklin, Geale and Rubio and that's not much to hang his hat on.

[kafkod]

It's ridiculous for him to be criticised for it.

There's a desperate desire amongst his critics to smear him as someone who's beating up smaller guys that's sadly undermined by the simple fact that he isn't. He's a moderately sized middleweight who makes weight very easily.

That's certainly true. But why? What is there not to like about Golovkin?
He has an exciting, fan friendly style. He is a nice guy outside the ring and shows respect to his opponents before and after the fight.
And he wants to fight the other middleweight title holders to give us at least one unified champion.
"He ducking Ward doe" is bulls**t. As Dr Rumack says, that's an excuse, not a reason.

[slindee3]

If they win a world title they will be, particularly the unbeaten Korobov.



Difference from Hopkins is Golovkin's following grows with every fight. From his promoter's perspective, what's the point of their MW moving up to SMW to possibly get beat and lose momentum when it's not even a PPV fight.

From a fans perspective, if he does move up for a non-PPV bout, Ward is hardly the most exciting of match-ups, the rumored Kessler bout is much more exciting.

Why is GGG willing to fight Froch, Kessler and Chavez but not Ward? None of these are PPV fights, so it appears to be a duck. Cotto started out as a light welter so he'll be a fool to fight a heavy hitting, natural middlewieght like GGG. Alvarez is a logical choice, but a puncher should be looking to move up to fight bigger fighters, not down to fight smaller ones.

[IronDanHamza]

Did you miss the part where I said fan's perspective? The promoter perspective was a reply to DS mentioning Oscar which I assumed was a reference to the money he brought in as opposed to his quality at MW where most felt he lost to Sturm. It seems like you're more interested in attacking me than the boxing discussion.



As to challenges at 160, we can't know that without him fighting the others. He'll be favored but he still has to do it otherwise it's just fantasy wins. If he moves up now, his MW record basically amounts to Macklin, Geale and Rubio and that's not much to hang his hat on.

I just find it funny really. Certain people critisize others for "avoiding getting beaten" and ask for the best fights only but when it's a fighter they like it's a "promoters viewpoint. Whatever, I'm not bothered

There is no challenges at 160. None, zero. Staying there is a waste of time.

He's not a small MW, he'd be solid at the weight. All the career enhancing fights are there so the fact he's done nothing of real note at MW is irrelevant it will stay that way until he moves up.

[hitking]

GGG doesn't need to move up. He has replaced Manny Pacquiao as having by far the ******est, most delusional fanbase in the sport. And these clown ass muf.uckaz are perfectly satisfied paying for, and watching him beat up bums. Get that money Gennady. And get it as easy as possible. Especially if these dumb fux are willing to just hand it to you.