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    by David P. Greisman - There comes a point at which a boxer should not be held responsible for circumstances beyond his control.

    There comes a time, though, when we as boxing fans expect a better product and don’t accept excuses, however valid, for why we are not getting it.

    This is the situation that Gennady Golovkin and his team may someday confront.

    Golovkin, a middleweight titleholder seen as being perhaps the best in his division, has not yet gotten the opportunity to prove himself so and may not get that opportunity for quite some time.

    The lineal champion at 160 — the man who beat the man who beat the man, and so on — is Miguel Cotto, who dethroned Sergio Martinez in June. Perhaps had Martinez been triumphant, he would’ve gone on to defend against Golovkin.

    But with Cotto the winner, there was never a chance of him sharing a ring with “GGG.” He’s more likely to take the largest available paydays, and at present that means a potential pay-per-view against Mexican superstar and former junior-middleweight titleholder Canelo Alvarez. Cotto may take a stay-busy fight in the upcoming months before meeting Alvarez in May 2015, coinciding with Cinco de Mayo weekend.

    A handful of other middleweights fight on Showtime, while Golovkin has a contract with HBO. Peter Quillin dropped his world title rather than earn a career-high payday to face Matt Korobov, presumably because the bout was not going to air on Showtime, nor was it going to be on a card affiliated with Golden Boy Promotions (with whom he works) or adviser Al Haymon (with whom he is signed).

    Quillin could end up facing Daniel Jacobs, who’s also with Haymon. Former champion Jermain Taylor, another Haymon middleweight, is long past his prime but recently picked up a belt with a win over Sam Soliman. He’s not about to be fed to Golovkin either. Farther down the rankings are a couple more Haymon guys at 160: Sergio Mora and prospect Caleb Truax. Haymon and HBO no longer have a working relationship, and Haymon’s plans likely don’t include putting his boxers in with Golovkin. Meanwhile, David Lemieux is with Quebec-based promoter Yvon Michel and most recently appeared on Showtime.

    That doesn’t leave too much for Golovkin within his division.

    Since debuting on HBO about two years ago, he’s fought on the network six times, scoring technical knockouts over Gregorz Proksa in September 2012 and Gabriel Rosado in January 2013, putting Matthew Macklin down for the count on a body shot, winning by technical knockout against Curtis Stevens in November 2013 and Daniel Geale in June, and needing less than five minutes to top Marco Antonio Rubio this past Saturday. He’s also had a pair of bouts in-between that weren’t featured on the premium cable outlet: a one-punch knockout of Nobuhiro Ishida in March 2013 and a seventh-round win over Osumanu Adama in February 2014. [Click Here To Read More]

  • #2
    Excellent article and I have been saying the same thing for quite some time.

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    • #3
      HBO put up better version of the KD where you can see when Rubio's knee is off the canvas. Even if the ref didn't count fast from 9 to 10, Rubio wouldn't have made it. It was a Cintron-Martinez type of cutting it close. Would have been more controversial if the ref didn't wave it off.



      There's some people who are holding Hopkin's reign as a model example of what Golovkin should do, which I just don't understand. Fight less than stellar opposition for years until one day he finds his Oscar instead of moving up against legit opposition when the opportunity comes.
      Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 10-20-2014, 01:12 AM.

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      • #4
        Call out Ward Golovkin. Baby Cotto's a Jr middle at best. Way past his prime & you should be fighting young guns like yourself!!..., Andre Ward make ya feel uncomfortable???

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        • #5
          Originally posted by johnnyrambo View Post
          Call out Ward Golovkin. Baby Cotto's a Jr middle at best. Way past his prime & you should be fighting young guns like yourself!!..., Andre Ward make ya feel uncomfortable???
          I bet that Andre Ward makes Gennady Golovkin feel very uncomfortable.

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          • #6
            He should move up

            Why would any true boxing fan wanna see fights they absolutely know the outcome of. Mismatches.

            But let's see if Canelo fights him next year. If not, move up, it's getting boring now

            Fight ward or Hopkins. They would both fight ggg


            Hopkins called out ggg

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jas View Post
              He should move up

              Why would any true boxing fan wanna see fights they absolutely know the outcome of. Mismatches.

              But let's see if Canelo fights him next year. If not, move up, it's getting boring now

              Fight ward or Hopkins. They would both fight ggg


              Hopkins called out ggg
              Hopkins called out GGG and Andre Ward called out GGG as well. It would not be a surprise if Top Rank is behind this article. Look at what he did to Rigo. Gennady Golovkin is complaining that the smaller fighters don't want to fight him. And he does not help his case, by refusing to fight Hopkins or Andre Ward.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by J-Lop View Post
                Hopkins called out GGG and Andre Ward called out GGG as well. It would not be a surprise if Top Rank is behind this article. Look at what he did to Rigo. Gennady Golovkin is complaining that the smaller fighters don't want to fight him. And he does not help his case, by refusing to fight Hopkins or Andre Ward.
                Let's wait and see what Hopkins has to say after fighting Kovalev.
                Ward should cut the bull-crap and come out and say if he would give GGG a 50/50 split of the purse to move up and fight him.
                If he won't do that he should stop talking about GGG the way GGG has stopped talking about him.
                If Cotto is too small to defend the middleweight title against another middleweight he should do the honourable thing and vacate.
                I think it's crazy that GGG, who has no trouble at all making 160lbs, should be criticised for not moving up and fighting bigger guys for less money than he could make by staying in his own division.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kafkod View Post
                  Let's wait and see what Hopkins has to say after fighting Kovalev.
                  Ward should cut the bull-crap and come out and say if he would give GGG a 50/50 split of the purse to move up and fight him.
                  If he won't do that he should stop talking about GGG the way GGG has stopped talking about him.
                  If Cotto is too small to defend the middleweight title against another middleweight he should do the honourable thing and vacate.
                  I think it's crazy that GGG, who has no trouble at all making 160lbs, should be criticised for not moving up and fighting bigger guys for less money than he could make by staying in his own division.
                  It's ridiculous for him to be criticised for it.

                  There's a desperate desire amongst his critics to smear him as someone who's beating up smaller guys that's sadly undermined by the simple fact that he isn't. He's a moderately sized middleweight who makes weight very easily.

                  However, I do think that it may be in his best interest to move up next year if the Canelo fight isn't happening. There are pros and cons in that move.

                  The pros are that Chavez Jr, Froch, and maybe even Ward will still be available in a 12-18 month time frame, and that Golovkin could probably make a fight with at least two of those guys that would be big business.

                  The cons are that Golovkin is an offensively oriented fighter, which makes the jump in weight class a lot riskier than if he were he a more conservative boxer. Also, if Froch retires, and Ward either stays inactive or moves up to 175, there actually isn't a lot for GGG to chase at 168 either. He would be pursuing Chavez Jr, and it doesn't make much sense for him to do that when he could just pursue Canelo at 160 instead.

                  I think he will fight at 160 two more times, and depending on how other match-ups go, Canelo will probably make the most important decision of Golovkin's career next summer.

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                  • #10
                    "Neither Korobov nor Lee is considered a top middleweight"
                    If they win a world title they will be, particularly the unbeaten Korobov.

                    Originally posted by DoktorSleepless View Post
                    There's some people who are holding Hopkin's reign as a model example of what Golovkin should do, which I just don't understand. Fight less than stellar opposition for years until one day he finds his Oscar instead of moving up against legit opposition when the opportunity comes.
                    Difference from Hopkins is Golovkin's following grows with every fight. From his promoter's perspective, what's the point of their MW moving up to SMW to possibly get beat and lose momentum when it's not even a PPV fight.

                    From a fans perspective, if he does move up for a non-PPV bout, Ward is hardly the most exciting of match-ups, the rumored Kessler bout is much more exciting.
                    Last edited by Weebler I; 10-20-2014, 06:12 AM.

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