Comments Thread For: Mayweather Sr: Floyd Would Beat Pacquiao The Hell Up!

[Kuyukut]

actually it was crackhead sr who advised fraud to duck pac. if i remembered it right he got scared of pac after the pac/cotto bout.

that's the time he started the rumor of pac using peds.

[luisivich]

Its random during the time that it's being implimented, but what need is there for a cutoff? Since that time, Pac has shown that there was NO NEED for a cutoff since he has done OSDT all the way to the fight. So why are you defending the fact that he asked for it then? Obviously the reasons that he had originally were just excuses since now those "reasons" have completely disappeared and we have found out that he was able to do OSDT up to the fight.

I love how you keep saying "you are living in the past" as a defense, yet those very negotiations were the starting point where people like you said that Floyd was ducking. Not once did I hear a mass exodus of people go back and say "Oh we were wrong...Floyd wanted to make the fight and Pac walked away". Not even after Ariza and Roach admitted as much. Then you will go through the 5 years and take Pac word for it when he says he wants to make the fight. But when Floyd says the same "he isn't sincere" Pac has done nothing but SAY he wants the fight. EVERYTIME the fight had a chance to be made or possibly could've been made, he did the opposite. That is a fact, not opinion.

First negotiation: Pac's team walked away for something things that were later proven to be lies.

2nd negotiation: Pac doesn't bother negotiating/Arum make exuse after excuse.

1st Possible chance:Pac could've explored free agency to see what his value was outside of TR(THE NORMAL BUSINESS DECISION A SUPERSTART OF HIS CALIBER WOULD MAKE) or had at the very least had a clause written into his contract to guarantee serious negotiations for the Floyd fight to be made. Instead he signed up for another 2 yrs with TR and a juicy nailbiter of a fight Pac/Algieri.

All of the ACTIONS say the fight isn't that important, yet his words say the opposite, so we should believe his words??

you are replying about the floyd-manny negotiation in 2009 and you write this
" NO NEED for a cutoff since he has done OSDT all the way to the fight."
your logic is only logical if you remove the timelines. but if you just think of the narrative of just one particular timespan you wouldn't have this conclusion
" manny doesn't needed to negotiate for a cut off in 2009 because he agreed to a no cut-off in 2012"
off course you needed to not be reminded that time is not moving backward(the only way that your conclusion is logical) circumstances is also different in 2009 and 2012.
2011-2014 manny has agreed to a no cut off date. the offer is off the table doe.
and if it fits your agenda then you will easily say that floyd is unreliable in his interviews, because he always shoot himself in the foot. ok let's not listen to floyd. let everyone know floyd's truth through you.

[HeGotPacProblem]

you are replying about the floyd-manny negotiation in 2009 and you write this
" NO NEED for a cutoff since he has done OSDT all the way to the fight."
your logic is only logical if you remove the timelines. but if you just think of the narrative of just one particular timespan you wouldn't have this conclusion
" manny doesn't needed to negotiate for a cut off in 2009 because he agreed to a no cut-off in 2012"
off course you needed to not be reminded that time is not moving backward(the only way that your conclusion is logical) circumstances is also different in 2009 and 2012.
2011-2014 manny has agreed to a no cut off date. the offer is off the table doe.
and if it fits your agenda then you will easily say that floyd is unreliable in his interviews, because he always shoot himself in the foot. ok let's not listen to floyd. let everyone know floyd's truth through you.

According to Floyd fans, the 50-50 split offer where drug testing wasn't agreed upon was the only offer ever reached between the 2 because because Manny "refused" having testing without a cutoff; thus he is ducking. Cherry picking at its finest!

[HeGotPacProblem]

Why would either have a direct effect on the actual fight? Since Pac has been doing OSDT with Vada, what effect had it had on his actual fights? How about Floyd, Nonito, Ward, Mosley, Rios, Ortiz, Maidana, Marquez, or any of the other fighters that have done OSDT? NONE! So you still aren't making ANY sense as to how the comparisons are apples and oranges.
They are both demands that were governed by the the commision and both out of the ordinary. Neither should/would have an affect on the fight for a boxer.

Not that hard to piece together, I guess you never gave blood or **********d before playing contact sports. You lose your aggression. Setting a penalty if the catchweight isn't reached does NOT affect the performance of the boxers in a fight. Losing blood does.

[megadeth]

you got a long post most of it irrelevant.
you got 3 lines that held my attention:

"3.Then: Pac/Team were found to be lying and they moved to 24 days.

4. Next: Floyd compromises and offers 14 day cutoff, which was declined.

5. Lastly:No deal in arbitration and Pac' team walked away.

this what really happened.
pac initially wanted a 6 weeks cut off date with proposed dates of testing. that is pac first stance, then he move to 4 weeks cut-off,

# 1 was the part that you said was irrelevant showed you that, that was not Pac's first stance. Did you not read what Roach and and Koncz(Pac's SPOKESMAN) said?? If you don't believe them, I am SURE I can find you a video that shows that a 6 week cutoff date was NOT his first stance. Can you show me proof that it was?

floyd demands for no cut-off date but easily move on to 14 days cut-off when the negotiation started. floyd had been very consistent with that cut-off date holding that stance for almost 2 weeks.

You keep saying this, but you don't know what you are talking about. Floyd gave GB permission to start negotiations the day after the Cotto fight 10/15/2009.

On 01/07/2010 they entered mediation.
Both sides agreed to enter into mediation on January 7, 2010, in hopes of coming to an agreement on the blood testing issue. Retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who successfully resolved a prior dispute between Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions, would again act as mediator. Two days later, after hours of negotiating during mediation, Arum declared that the fight was officially off after Mayweather refused to agree to a 24-day cut-off date. Mayweather revealed that he offered a 14-day cut-off date to Team Pacquiao, but it was rejected.

So why did Floyd need to say that he offered a 14 day cutoff date if he was already offering it during negotiations?[/B]

pacquiao move his proposed cut-off from 6 weeks to 4 weeks to 3 weeks in that 2 week period.

Link it. I can link everyting I am saying.

the talks has broken down between pacs 3 weeks and floyd 2 weeks.

24 days not 3 wks, but ok.

using your own words "Floyd compromises and offers 14 day cutoff, which was declined", then you could also say that manny's offer of compromise has been declined not only once but 4 times(pac actually agreed to 14 days cut-off). so if manny is unyielding for a compromise then floyd is 4 times as unyielding.

No because again, Floyd started at no cutoff which Pac's team said was fine. Pac ultimately went to 24 days and Floyd had offered 14 days. Floyd made much more a compromise from their starting points than Pac did. 4x? When were there 4 negotiations?? Pac said 14 days after Floyd said "all the way up to the fight, come and get it". So why would he accepting something in a non existent negotiation with a guy that just proved to be the bigger draw? Not to mention, other than SAY he would accept the terms, what has Pac done to show he was serious?

[darius45]

Floyd beats Manny in a one on one game in basketball... but victory will never extend into the boxing ring...

[megadeth]

actually it was crackhead sr who advised fraud to duck pac. if i remembered it right he got scared of pac after the pac/cotto bout.

that's the time he started the rumor of pac using peds.

Hahaha....The very day after the fight, Floyd authorized GB to negotiate the fight.

[luisivich]

# 1 was the part that you said was irrelevant showed you that, that was not Pac's first stance. Did you not read what Roach and and Koncz(Pac's SPOKESMAN) said?? If you don't believe them, I am SURE I can find you a video that shows that a 6 week cutoff date was NOT his first stance. Can you show me proof that it was?



You keep saying this, but you don't know what you are talking about. Floyd gave GB permission to start negotiations the day after the Cotto fight 10/15/2009.

On 01/07/2010 they entered mediation.
Both sides agreed to enter into mediation on January 7, 2010, in hopes of coming to an agreement on the blood testing issue. Retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who successfully resolved a prior dispute between Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions, would again act as mediator. Two days later, after hours of negotiating during mediation, Arum declared that the fight was officially off after Mayweather refused to agree to a 24-day cut-off date. Mayweather revealed that he offered a 14-day cut-off date to Team Pacquiao, but it was rejected.

So why did Floyd need to say that he offered a 14 day cutoff date if he was already offering it during negotiations?[/B]




Link it. I can link everyting I am saying.



24 days not 3 wks, but ok.



No because again, Floyd started at no cutoff which Pac's team said was fine. Pac ultimately went to 24 days and Floyd had offered 14 days. Floyd made much more a compromise from their starting points than Pac did. 4x? When were there 4 negotiations?? Pac said 14 days after Floyd said "all the way up to the fight, come and get it". So why would he accepting something in a non existent negotiation with a guy that just proved to be the bigger draw? Not to mention, other than SAY he would accept the terms, what has Pac done to show he was serious?

On 01/07/2010 they entered mediation.
Both sides agreed to enter into mediation on January 7, 2010, in hopes of coming to an agreement on the blood testing issue. Retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who successfully resolved a prior dispute between Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions, would again act as mediator. Two days later, after hours of negotiating during mediation, Arum declared that the fight was officially off after Mayweather refused to agree to a 24-day cut-off date. Mayweather revealed that he offered a 14-day cut-off date to Team Pacquiao, but it was rejected.


can you give me the source of that.

[megadeth]

you are replying about the floyd-manny negotiation in 2009 and you write this
" NO NEED for a cutoff since he has done OSDT all the way to the fight."
your logic is only logical if you remove the timelines. but if you just think of the narrative of just one particular timespan you wouldn't have this conclusion
" manny doesn't needed to negotiate for a cut off in 2009 because he agreed to a no cut-off in 2012"
off course you needed to not be reminded that time is not moving backward(the only way that your conclusion is logical) circumstances is also different in 2009 and 2012.
2011-2014 manny has agreed to a no cut off date. the offer is off the table doe.
and if it fits your agenda then you will easily say that floyd is unreliable in his interviews, because he always shoot himself in the foot. ok let's not listen to floyd. let everyone know floyd's truth through you.

What I am saying is because he was able to to do OSDT in 2014, it makes ALL of the excuses that were given by Pac and his team(it makes him weak, he will miss training, he is afraid of needles, its unnatural to have blood taken from his body, superstition, he won't be able to use his arm) invalid. It proves that he could've done the testing in 2009 just the same way that he did them in 2013/2014. Yeah, you are right, circumstances are different. Pac was willing to do OSDT for to make a fight with lesser fighters, for MUCH less money and prestige. If you mwan that it's different because other fighters are doing OSDT. Well, that has been going on for years and Pac didn't decide to do it then. How I have to argue this with you after Pac's own trainer agrees with me, and not you shows that YOU are the one with the agenda here.

Yep, Pac agreed to OSDT in 2011 and the next year the fight was offered again. One for which he didnt other negotiating. So that's Floyds fault too huh?

Of course Floyd is unreliable in interviews, we all know that. He talks all kind of nonsense, but then again, I have shown you that Pac is as well. I am not concerned with "Floyds truth". I am much more concerned with the real truth.

[megadeth]

On 01/07/2010 they entered mediation.
Both sides agreed to enter into mediation on January 7, 2010, in hopes of coming to an agreement on the blood testing issue. Retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who successfully resolved a prior dispute between Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions, would again act as mediator. Two days later, after hours of negotiating during mediation, Arum declared that the fight was officially off after Mayweather refused to agree to a 24-day cut-off date. Mayweather revealed that he offered a 14-day cut-off date to Team Pacquiao, but it was rejected.


can you give me the source of that.

Sure can!

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=4803490

Later arum got caught lying again in the above article saying that Floyd never offered 14 days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayweather_vs._Pacquiao