Comments Thread For: Mayweather Sr: Floyd Would Beat Pacquiao The Hell Up!

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Not that hard to piece together, I guess you never gave blood or **********d before playing contact sports. You lose your aggression. Setting a penalty if the catchweight isn't reached does NOT affect the performance of the boxers in a fight. Losing blood does.

Hahahah....that is your sad excuse!!! Really??? If that is your weak arument, I could just say "well the stress of possibly losing 10 mil per lb" could've affected performance. Show me ONE BIT of scientific evidence that this is true or GTFOH!!!

First of all that is a friggen MYTH! Secondly, USADA hasn't taken blood in any of the test very close to the fight as far as I know. And last it still doesn't make sense that it's SUCH an impossible task to do in 2009, yet so easily done in 2013/14 Your argument hold no water and losing a teaspoon or 2 of blood does NOTHING to performance....you are completely making that nonesense up! This post proves that the ONLY thing you are interested in is defending Pac's position, whether its true or not.

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According to Floyd fans, the 50-50 split offer where drug testing wasn't agreed upon was the only offer ever reached between the 2 because because Manny "refused" having testing without a cutoff; thus he is ducking. Cherry picking at its finest!

Not saying that at all. I'm saying how do you see all the facts of what BOTH SIDES of done or not done and place all the blame on Floyd calling him a duck and coward, without doing the sam thing for Pac?

[luisivich]

Sure can!

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4803490

Later arum got caught lying again in the above article saying that Floyd never offered 14 days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayweather_vs._Pacquiao

"Arum said Pacquiao agreed to ease his demands on the drug testing window but Mayweather wouldn't.

Arum said Pacquiao agreed to shorten the window for a blood test to 24 days before the fight. "

its from the above article.


Later arum got caught lying again in the above article saying that Floyd never offered 14 days.

its not on the article. it is just your opinion.

december 2009 was actually the first negotiation. weinstein has taken part in the re-negotiation in january and the timeline you're basing you're narrative in.

i'm very accurate in my narrative of the negotiation in dec 09.
the talks breakdown between floyds 2 weeks and manny's 3 weeks in dec 09.

it broke down again in mediation/renegotiation in january 2010 same issue floyds 2 weeks and manny's 3 weeks. and its weird that your blaming it all on pacquiao why the fight had not happen in 2009-10

[HeGotPacProblem]

Hahahah....that is your sad excuse!!! Really??? If that is your weak arument, I could just say "well the stress of possibly losing 10 mil per lb" could've affected performance. Show me ONE BIT of scientific evidence that this is true or GTFOH!!!

First of all that is a friggen MYTH! Secondly, USADA hasn't taken blood in any of the test very close to the fight as far as I know. And last it still doesn't make sense that it's SUCH an impossible task to do in 2009, yet so easily done in 2013/14 Your argument hold no water and losing a teaspoon or 2 of blood does NOTHING to performance....you are completely making that nonesense up! This post proves that the ONLY thing you are interested in is defending Pac's position, whether its true or not.

Youre being facetious, the penalty for the Mayweather vs JMM was $300k per lb. over the catchweight as Floyd paid $600k in penalty for going 2 lbs. over.

Perhaps you should put a poll for this? Its pretty clear youre a big Floyd homer, not as big as Reloaded though. Establishing the penalty for going overweight has no effect on the performance of the boxers. Drawing blood close to the fight had weakened Pacs loss to Morales in 2005.

I frankly dont care...my intentions are not here to convert you from not supporting Floyd and I can care less debating back and forth for a 2009 issue that is no longer an issue. Testing is not what the sticking point today as Pac adheres to VADA testing for his last few fights.

[luisivich]

What I am saying is because he was able to to do OSDT in 2014, it makes ALL of the excuses that were given by Pac and his team(it makes him weak, he will miss training, he is afraid of needles, its unnatural to have blood taken from his body, superstition, he won't be able to use his arm) invalid. It proves that he could've done the testing in 2009 just the same way that he did them in 2013/2014. Yeah, you are right, circumstances are different. Pac was willing to do OSDT for to make a fight with lesser fighters, for MUCH less money and prestige. If you mwan that it's different because other fighters are doing OSDT. Well, that has been going on for years and Pac didn't decide to do it then. How I have to argue this with you after Pac's own trainer agrees with me, and not you shows that YOU are the one with the agenda here.

Yep, Pac agreed to OSDT in 2011 and the next year the fight was offered again. One for which he didnt other negotiating. So that's Floyds fault too huh?

Of course Floyd is unreliable in interviews, we all know that. He talks all kind of nonsense, but then again, I have shown you that Pac is as well. I am not concerned with "Floyds truth". I am much more concerned with the real truth.

floyd is not doing that (supposedly) osdt before dec 09.

i could also claim that floyd avoided the fight by not agreeing to pacs 3 weeks but i'll not be doing that because pacs could also have agreed to floyd 2 weeks. do you notice how my unbiased mind works?

ill use your own words
"Yeah, you are right, circumstances are different. floyd was willing to do OSDT for to make a fight with lesser fighters, for MUCH less money and prestige."
floyd could have taken the pacquiao fight now for more money and prestige. pac is calling floyd out.

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"Arum said Pacquiao agreed to ease his demands on the drug testing window but Mayweather wouldn't.

Arum said Pacquiao agreed to shorten the window for a blood test to 24 days before the fight. "

its from the above article.


Later arum got caught lying again in the above article saying that Floyd never offered 14 days.

its not on the article. it is just your opinion.

Sorry but its fact. I am not some Floyd nuthugger who agrees with whatever he does. If Floyd is full of shlt and lying I have no problem saying it, the same as Pac.

http://www.examiner.com/article/bob-arum-confesses-i-blew-it-on-mayweather-pacquiao

Arum does not deny that Richie Rich Schaefer of Golden Boy, the appointed Maywerather rep along with close to the best adviser Al Haymon, did end up with a two weeks out preflight test demand.

“It’s true, it’s true,” Arum said. “But they knew full well that we would not go for that. I think the real mistake was mine in not saying, “Sign the bout contract, then take your test requirements to the athletic commission.’ I should have said that and, if he signed the contract, I could’ve said go the commission and don’t bother me with this bullspit.”

[B]december 2009 was actually the first negotiation. weinstein has taken part in the re-negotiation in january and the timeline you're basing you're narrative in.

It was just continuation of the negotiation which included a mediator.

i'm very accurate in my narrative of the negotiation in dec 09.
the talks breakdown between floyds 2 weeks and manny's 3 weeks in dec 09.

No, not really. First of all, you said that Floyds requested 14 days when negotiation started. That was incorrect. Second, just because you have arbitration, doesn't mean that negotiations have fallen apart. It just means that you agree to continue negotiating, but you add a someone to mediate.

And last:

http://www.si.com/boxing/2010/01/08/pacquiao-clottey

Schaefer told SI.com on Friday that he believed Pacquiao was never told of the 14 day offer. He referred to an Internet report where Pacquiao and his representatives denied that Mayweather had offered to reduce the testing window to 14 days before the fight. Schaefer said he had text messages between Golden Boy's Chief Marketing Officer Bruce Binkow and Top Rank President Todd DuBoef during this week's mediation discussing the 14-day window.

Arum, however, says Pacquiao has known about the 14 days since Jan. 1 and said he had an email exchange between DuBoef and Pacquiao's advisor, Michael Koncz, that prove that Pacquiao had received the offer and rejected it.

"That offer was rejected a long time ago," said Arum. "It was off the table. They are just trying to get under Manny's skin. It serves no purpose than to aggravate Manny Pacquiao."

it broke down again in mediation/renegotiation in january 2010 same issue floyds 2 weeks and manny's 3 weeks. and its weird that your blaming it all on pacquiao why the fight had not happen in 2009-10

Well, 2 wks was a very reasonable request and Floyd compromised to make the fight, so why not place the blame where it should be. Tell you what! Let's look at what everyone else here thought at the time, shall we??

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346063

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Youre being facetious, the penalty for the Mayweather vs JMM was $300k per lb. over the catchweight as Floyd paid $600k in penalty for going 2 lbs. over.

Ok, what does that have to do with the 10 MIL per lb that Pac was asking for??

Perhaps you should put a poll for this? Its pretty clear youre a big Floyd homer, not as big as Reloaded though.

I'm the Floyd homer yet you are the one saying that getting a blood test will effect athletic performance, yet somehow you are unbiased? LOL!! Since you are so pro poll(as if you don't already know this is a very pro Pac board right?The more you type, the more Pac homer you show yourself as.) let's take a look at how even this board felt about the 14 day offer from Floyd at the time.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=346063

Establishing the penalty for going overweight has no effect on the performance of the boxers. Drawing blood close to the fight had weakened Pacs loss to Morales in 2005.

How do you know that estabishing an overweight penalty has no effect on a boxers performance? Drawing blood weakened Pac huh? He also said said he had problems in the fight because of his socks & not wearing the gloves he wanted to so which one was it? Not to mention, it doesn't apply since again, Floyd offered a 14 day cutoff...So he didn't have to worry about taking blood test the DAY OF THE FIGHT. Big difference huh? Also, USADA hasn't taken blood anywhere cloe to fight night. And last, How is it now, in 2014, that has all changed and those same blood tests would no longer make him weak?

I frankly dont care...my intentions are not here to convert you from not supporting Floyd and I can care less debating back and forth for a 2009 issue that is no longer an issue. Testing is not what the sticking point today as Pac adheres to VADA testing for his last few fights.

You seem to care when its time to cast blame in other threads. Why not now? The problem lies in homers like you not being able to tell the truth and place the blame where it lies for the fight falling thru at the most attractive time that it couldv've been made. Something members of Pac's OWN TEAM are able to do, yet for some reason, you can't. Good thing your unbiased though.

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floyd is not doing that (supposedly) osdt before dec 09.

i could also claim that floyd avoided the fight by not agreeing to pacs 3 weeks but i'll not be doing that because pacs could also have agreed to floyd 2 weeks. do you notice how my unbiased mind works?

Probably cuz it makes no sense. There is no reason for a clean athlete to have a cutoff in the first place. ESPECIALLY not a 24 day cutoff. Unbiased that's funny. Take a look at the poll I posted earlier on a clearly PRO PAC board and tell me you are unbiased again!

ill use your own words
"Yeah, you are right, circumstances are different. floyd was willing to do OSDT for to make a fight with lesser fighters, for MUCH less money and prestige."

Hahaha...if you didnt catch it, it was a typo. It should've ready "Pac was willing to do OSDT for to make a fight with lesser fighters, for MUCH less money and prestige."

[QUOTE=luisivich;15027114floyd could have taken the pacquiao fight now for more money and prestige. pac is calling floyd out.[/QUOTE]

So the point was exactly what you said in your last sentence except you need to change the names around and apply it to 2009/10. Does it still apply Mr. Unbiased?

[luisivich]

Sorry but its fact. I am not some Floyd nuthugger who agrees with whatever he does. If Floyd is full of shlt and lying I have no problem saying it, the same as Pac.

http://www.examiner.com/article/bob-arum-confesses-i-blew-it-on-mayweather-pacquiao

Arum does not deny that Richie Rich Schaefer of Golden Boy, the appointed Maywerather rep along with close to the best adviser Al Haymon, did end up with a two weeks out preflight test demand.

“It’s true, it’s true,” Arum said. “But they knew full well that we would not go for that. I think the real mistake was mine in not saying, “Sign the bout contract, then take your test requirements to the athletic commission.’ I should have said that and, if he signed the contract, I could’ve said go the commission and don’t bother me with this bullspit.”



It was just continuation of the negotiation which included a mediator.



No, not really. First of all, you said that Floyds requested 14 days when negotiation started. That was incorrect. Second, just because you have arbitration, doesn't mean that negotiations have fallen apart. It just means that you agree to continue negotiating, but you add a someone to mediate.

And last:

http://www.si.com/boxing/2010/01/08/pacquiao-clottey

Schaefer told SI.com on Friday that he believed Pacquiao was never told of the 14 day offer. He referred to an Internet report where Pacquiao and his representatives denied that Mayweather had offered to reduce the testing window to 14 days before the fight. Schaefer said he had text messages between Golden Boy's Chief Marketing Officer Bruce Binkow and Top Rank President Todd DuBoef during this week's mediation discussing the 14-day window.

Arum, however, says Pacquiao has known about the 14 days since Jan. 1 and said he had an email exchange between DuBoef and Pacquiao's advisor, Michael Koncz, that prove that Pacquiao had received the offer and rejected it.

"That offer was rejected a long time ago," said Arum. "It was off the table. They are just trying to get under Manny's skin. It serves no purpose than to aggravate Manny Pacquiao."



Well, 2 wks was a very reasonable request and Floyd compromised to make the fight, so why not place the blame where it should be. Tell you what! Let's look at what everyone else here thought at the time, shall we??

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=346063

this is on your first link:
"I made the biggest mistake on this,” Arum said. “I tried to appease a guy and a camp that cannot be appeased. It was like when (British Prime Minister) Neville Chamberlain (no relation to Wilt The Stilt, albeit a better foul shooter) tried to appease Adolph Hitler. You give something, they ask for more.”

he is talking about floyd. he had predicted that early in 2010 that if manny agreed to 2 weeks cut-off. floyd would have other demands. eg. leave arum, sign with tmt etc.

this is on second link:
Pacquiao has known about the 14 days since Jan. 1 and said he had an email exchange between DuBoef and Pacquiao's advisor, Michael Koncz, that prove that Pacquiao had received the offer and rejected it.

"That offer was rejected a long time ago," said Arum. "It was off the table. They are just trying to get under Manny's skin. It serves no purpose than to aggravate Manny Pacquiao."

that was when the the pacquaio -clottey was sign. why revisit the 14 days cut off that pacquiao has rejected early january. floyd hasn't move at all while pac started from 6 weeks- 4 weeks -3 weeks from december 09 to january 010. floyd hasn't move at all. he's 0 days was announced to the press not on negotiation table where he is consistent on that 14 day window.

and the third link about the poll in 2009. pacquiao would demand no cut-off now. why is the fight not happening? and that poll is not part of the mediation in january or the negotiation in dec. mAke a poll now that ask if 3 weeks cut off is acceptable. with the same wording as the ts. 3 weeks would also win out as acceptable. it is human psychology.

why keep giving me links that helps my argument. i wonder if you're reading just part of those articles because all of those is like floyd's interviews-self incarceration.

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Probably cuz it makes no sense. There is no reason for a clean athlete to have a cutoff in the first place. ESPECIALLY not a 24 day cutoff. Unbiased that's funny. Take a look at the poll I posted earlier on a clearly PRO PAC board and tell me you are unbiased again!




Hahaha...if you didnt catch it, it was a typo. It should've ready "Pac was willing to do OSDT for to make a fight with lesser fighters, for MUCH less money and prestige."



So the point was exactly what you said in your last sentence except you need to change the names around and apply it to 2009/10. Does it still apply Mr. Unbiased?

it is just to make a point the standard i set to floyd is the same standard i set to manny.
and you didn't get it

meaning they are both doing
"to make a fight with lesser fighters, for MUCH less money and prestige."

and you dont have any clue that floyd is doing it by not fighting manny.