Comments Thread For: Mayweather Sr: Floyd Would Beat Pacquiao The Hell Up!

[The Big Dunn]

How is it being a homer? Why didn't Mayweather accept the 21 day cutoff then? Like i said, manny was as much the A side as Floyd back then. He was given a take it or leave offer with no room for negotiations.

If I give you an offer to fight me and I get to use brass knuckles and you use feather gloves in my backyard for $20 and I get $100..you refuse...does that mean you're ducking? FLOYD IS A CONTROL FREAK WHERE HE HAS TO HAVE EVER possible ADVANTAGE BEFORE TAKING A FIGHT. He is a master game manager..thats why the only prime ATG he's fought was JMM at a catchweight.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8440821.stm

The duo had previously agreed all points of the contract apart from the drug testing and were said to be close to a deal after the mediation, but subsequent discussions on Wednesday led Pacquiao's promoters Top Rank to declare the fight was cancelled.

[DoUevenBoxBro]

did canelo and Floyd fight at 150?

No, because canelo said he couldn't make 150 anymore. That still didn't stop floyd from Demanding it to be at 152 and his fans justifying it saying Canelo offer to come down even though he made that offer over a year and half ago but yet Manny's agreement to the suppose cut off date offer by floyd, 5 months later was too late?

[The Big Dunn]

No, because canelo said he couldn't make 150 anymore. That still didn't stop floyd from Demanding it to be at 152 and his fans justifying it saying Canelo offer to come down even though he made that offer over a year and half ago but yet Manny's agreement to the suppose cut off date offer by floyd, 5 months later was too late?

You are trying to make a point and are also proving same point wrong. Canelo, said he could make 150-floyd didn't ask him to make it. Floyd and canelo didn't fight at 150 nor did Floyd hold him to that. He told Osuna-"canelo said he would go down to 150-check bscene." that is truthful. correct?

Floyd took the offer off the table (see post mosley interview with larry merchant) because Manny had not agreed for 5 months. Manny then agreed after this, a week or so later. The manny's promoter said the fight is off-canelo's promoter did not.

5 months isn't "shortly" after- I think we could agree on that. The Floyd Canelo fight wasn't delayed because of any weight issue. I think we can agree on that.

Sorry dude, but there is nothing similar. Can we discuss what I posted in this thread-not what you may have heard from another Floyd fan over a year ago?

[HeGotPacProblem]

You are trying to make a point and are also proving same point wrong. Canelo, said he could make 150-floyd didn't ask him to make it. Floyd and canelo didn't fight at 150 nor did Floyd hold him to that. He told Osuna-"canelo said he would go down to 150-check bscene." that is truthful. correct?

Floyd took the offer off the table (see post mosley interview with larry merchant) because Manny had not agreed for 5 months. Manny then agreed after this, a week or so later. The manny's promoter said the fight is off-canelo's promoter did not.

5 months isn't "shortly" after- I think we could agree on that. The Floyd Canelo fight wasn't delayed because of any weight issue. I think we can agree on that.

Sorry dude, but there is nothing similar. Can we discuss what I posted in this thread-not what you may have heard from another Floyd fan over a year ago?

Catchweight was forced....they even asked for 147 initially.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/12/47...13-catchweight

[The Big Dunn]

Catchweight was forced....they even asked for 147 initially.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/12/47...13-catchweight

May have been-but that isn't douevenboxbro's point. He compared Canelo's offer to come to 150-said in an interview- with Manny's refusal of an actual contract.

Then he says well Floyd fans said this-well argue it with that specific poster-don't apply it to every Floyd fan.

[megadeth]

How is it being a homer? Why didn't Mayweather accept the 21 day cutoff then? Like i said, manny was as much the A side as Floyd back then. He was given a take it or leave offer with no room for negotiations.

If I give you an offer to fight me and I get to use brass knuckles and you use feather gloves in my backyard for $20 and I get $100..you refuse...does that mean you're ducking? FLOYD IS A CONTROL FREAK WHERE HE HAS TO HAVE EVER possible ADVANTAGE BEFORE TAKING A FIGHT. He is a master game manager..thats why the only prime ATG he's fought was JMM at a catchweight.

Firstly. they BOTH had 2 out of the ordinary demands. Pac wanted 10 mil per lb overweight penalty. Floyd wanted OSDT up to the fight. Floyd accepted Pacs with no conditions. Pac and team ORGINALLY said..."no problem, anytime". From there they started backpeddling all the way to 30 day and finally arriving at 24 days. Floyd STARTED AT NO CUTOFF..0 DAYS. Pac started at 0 days and ultimately moved to 24 days. From 0 days, Floyd compromised at 14 days. Now if Pacs team originally said 0 days was ok, why wouldn't 14 be ok? And, if they moved to 24 days 14 day was more than fair, because it was closer to Pac's requested date than it was Floyds.


Anything that Floyd was demanding from Pac, he was willing to do himself, so your anology doesn't make sense. Floyd is a control freak, I have always said that. Guess what...so is Pac! If you are saying that he has to have WHERE HE HAS TO HAVE EVER possible ADVANTAGE BEFORE TAKING A FIGHT then an argument can be made that Pac is even worse with catchweights when he wants(Cotto, Margarito, JMM, Algieri) them and no catchweight when he doesn't(Morales I & II).

[HeGotPacProblem]

May have been-but that isn't douevenboxbro's point. He compared Canelo's offer to come to 150-said in an interview- with Manny's refusal of an actual contract.

Then he says well Floyd fans said this-well argue it with that specific poster-don't apply it to every Floyd fan.

There is NO contract without the signatures of all parties involved. It's a draft.

[megadeth]

No, because canelo said he couldn't make 150 anymore. That still didn't stop floyd from Demanding it to be at 152 and his fans justifying it saying Canelo offer to come down even though he made that offer over a year and half ago but yet Manny's agreement to the suppose cut off date offer by floyd, 5 months later was too late?

It was too late because Floyd had said previously that that offer was off the table.

[The Big Dunn]

There is NO contract without the signatures of all parties involved. It's a draft.

well the source you cited in your debate with megadeath says otherwise, see post 351.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8440821.stm

The duo had previously agreed all points of the contract apart from the drug testing and were said to be close to a deal after the mediation, but subsequent discussions on Wednesday led Pacquiao's promoters Top Rank to declare the fight was cancelled.

[HeGotPacProblem]

Firstly. they BOTH had 2 out of the ordinary demands. Pac wanted 10 mil per lb overweight penalty. Floyd wanted OSDT up to the fight. Floyd accepted Pacs with no conditions. Pac and team ORGINALLY said..."no problem, anytime". From there they started backpeddling all the way to 30 day and finally arriving at 24 days. Floyd STARTED AT NO CUTOFF..0 DAYS. Pac started at 0 days and ultimately moved to 24 days. From 0 days, Floyd compromised at 14 days. Now if Pacs team originally said 0 days was ok, why wouldn't 14 be ok? And, if they moved to 24 days 14 day was more than fair, because it was closer to Pac's requested date than it was Floyds.


Anything that Floyd was demanding from Pac, he was willing to do himself, so your anology doesn't make sense. Floyd is a control freak, I have always said that. Guess what...so is Pac! If you are saying that he has to have WHERE HE HAS TO HAVE EVER possible ADVANTAGE BEFORE TAKING A FIGHT then an argument can be made that Pac is even worse with catchweights when he wants(Cotto, Margarito, JMM, Algieri) them and no catchweight when he doesn't(Morales I & II).

Pac never started at 0 days back then. He was weary of blood tests as he felt it weakened him from experience in fights.

Paying a penalty and imposing drug testing cutoff is comparing apples and oranges. One has absolutely no bearing on a fight whereas the other does.