Comments Thread For: Mayweather Sr: Floyd Would Beat Pacquiao The Hell Up!

[mathed]

No.......he wouldn't old man. He is too scared to face him, just as much as you are afraid to admit the truth. We understand your position so when you wake up in the middle of the night from fear of Pac in the ring with Floyd, we understand that too.

[HeGotPacProblem]

Freddie Roach reveals rumor about a request for Olympic-style drug testing, but says they will agree.

In a video titled "Boxing Legend Freddie Roach Updates Us On Pacquiao" uploaded to YouTube on DECEMBER 11, 2009, Freddie Roach reveals the first hint about Mayweather's request for Olympic-style drug testing, telling roving reporter Elie Seckbach, "I hear negotiations are a little shady. Schaefer and them are unhappy about something. They want Olympic-style drug testing. I said, 'Yeah, no problem.' I said, 'Whatever you want.' Since we excepted that, now they're running scared again."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGd8r7G7Mxo

Michael Koncz says request for Olympic-style testing is a laughing matter and suggests they have no problem with it.

Speaking to Lem Satterfield of AOL Fanhouse, Pacquiao's adviser, Michael Koncz, suggests that Mayweather's request for Olympic-style drug testing is a laughing matter and they have no concerns whatsoever about it. "Our reaction is, 'So what?' We know Manny doesn't take any illegal drugs or anything. And none of this is getting under Manny's skin or anything. I'm here with Manny, and to him, it's like a joke. It's a laughing matter," said Koncz. "It's something foolish anyway. Why would we be concerned? We know he doesn't do any of that ****."

http://www.aolnews.com/2009/12/13/pacquiao-would...


Funny his trainer and advisor knew nothing about it though. How do I know you will have an excuse for this too??



What are yout talking about? Pac was IMPOSING A PENALTY is just the same as Floyd imposing extra testing. You are really showing how bias you are on this. They both had demands that were normally goverend by the commision and they went above and beyond what the commision requires.

Again, you're comparing apples and oranges in terms of their demands. What dont you get?

1) Penalty for going over the catchweight
2) Requiring a 0 day cutoff date for testing

Which demand has a direct effect on the actual fight for a boxer?
Is it that difficult for a Floyd fan to determine?

[firstborn]

It was and still is both their fault the fight isnt happening. Any other opinion is just fan boy BS.

[StefanTosic]

At least Rog had the guts to face the most dangerous welterweight of his era twice even if he had no chance of winning. Junior has said that if he could fight anyone in the history of boxing it would be Chavez but he only said that knowing that such a hypothetical proposition has no chance of actually happening. Floyd will not face Pacquiao and so I can't see how anyone could believe he would actually face Julio Caesar Chavez in his prime.
As for Senior's comments, I'm really not surprised. It's the same old narcissistic, delusional rambling from Old Man Money.

Amin! :bowdown:

[Reloaded]

Again, you're comparing apples and oranges in terms of their demands. What dont you get?

1) Penalty for going over the catchweight
2) Requiring a 0 day cutoff date for testing

Which demand has a direct effect on the actual fight for a boxer?
Is it that difficult for a Floyd fan to determine?

Your outa your mind kid , Manny got a fantastic offer with the highest purse he will get and he WALKED , if his counter offer off a cut of date had any thread of credibility whats so ever he would be demanding it today , he isnt its full random testing just how its supposed to be , the truth is he tried his hardest to get out of that fight and finally pulled out over trying to unrandomize OST random testing .

WTF is that , Olympic Style Testing is random , thats its greatest power .

Manny fans are full of sht !

[HeGotPacProblem]

Your outa your mind kid , Manny got a fantastic offer with the highest purse he will get and he WALKED , if his counter offer off a cut of date had any thread of credibility whats so ever he would be demanding it today , he isnt its full random testing just how its supposed to be , the truth is he tried his hardest to get out of that fight and finally pulled out over trying to unrandomize OST random testing .

WTF is that , Olympic Style Testing is random , thats its greatest power .

Manny fans are full of sht !

You're full of bs. Biggest Floyd homer on here. Keep suking on floyd's clinkers. Testing with a cutoff is still random. In addition, boxers can be tested after the fight.

Like i said you're living in the past and cherry picking with the offer made in 2009 to make excuses for your hero. There has been 5 years past of failed negotiations and drug testing has not been the sticking point for years. Floyd has been the A side the past few years..so if he really wanted the fight he would have made it happen. But he doesnt give a f about you or anyone else...just his money and his 0. It's comical how anyone can be a fan of the pos. Your hero sucks period.

[megadeth]

floyd has agreed to 14 days cut-off when manny wanted 6 weeks cut-off. when manny move to 3 weeks cut-off floyd still wanted 14 days cut-off. thats when the talk breaks down. i think a week later manny agreed to that 14 days but floyd said that offer is off the table. the talk breaks down between manny's 3 week and floyds 2 weeks.
0 weeks is what floyd wanted BEFORE the negotiation. but during negotiation hes consistent stance is 14 days. so let us concentrate on that 14 days and not confuse ourselves with 0 days.

What are you talking about? That is not what happened. Floyd started at 0 days during negotiations(Negotiations were greenlighted on Nov 15 2009) and he COMPROMISED moving from 0 to 14 days while Pac went the other way. There are plent of videos where Pac and his team are all over the place on dates. Pac saying he can't take tests ON THE DAY OF THE FIGHT, to Roach saying not a few days before, until they finally moved all the way up to 30 days. They then got caught LYING and had to move down to 24 days. Right before mediation, Floyd offered 14 days, it was NOT before negotiations started. Funny that you're saying that Floyd was offering 14 days during the negotiation, yet Arum said the complete opposite. In fact, he was even reprimanded by the arbitrator and was proven to be lying when he claimed saying that Floyd hadn't offered 14 days BEFORE arbitration, only to have to come out and admit it it later.

So the real timeline looked like:

1.Floyd: OSDT to the fight
Pac/team:'Freddie Roach reveals rumor about a request for Olympic-style drug testing, but says they will agree.

In a video titled "Boxing Legend Freddie Roach Updates Us On Pacquiao" uploaded to YouTube on DECEMBER 11, 2009, Freddie Roach reveals the first hint about Mayweather's request for Olympic-style drug testing, telling roving reporter Elie Seckbach, "I hear negotiations are a little shady. Schaefer and them are unhappy about something. They want Olympic-style drug testing. I said, 'Yeah, no problem.' I said, 'Whatever you want.' Since we excepted that, now they're running scared again."

And: Michael Koncz says request for Olympic-style testing is a laughing matter and suggests they have no problem with it.

Speaking to Lem Satterfield of AOL Fanhouse, Pacquiao's adviser, Michael Koncz, suggests that Mayweather's request for Olympic-style drug testing is a laughing matter and they have no concerns whatsoever about it. "Our reaction is, 'So what?' We know Manny doesn't take any illegal drugs or anything. And none of this is getting under Manny's skin or anything. I'm here with Manny, and to him, it's like a joke. It's a laughing matter," said Koncz. "It's something foolish anyway. Why would we be concerned? We know he doesn't do any of that ****."

So at least in the press, this is them essentially agreeing to OSDT up to the fight WHILE NEGOTIATIONS ARE GOING ON!

2.Then: Pac's team said that he would agree to 3 blood tests. One in JANUARY, one 30 days from the bout (no later than February 13), and immediately after the fight.

3.Then: Pac/Team were found to be lying and they moved to 24 days.

4. Next: Floyd compromises and offers 14 day cutoff, which was declined.

5. Lastly:No deal in arbitration and Pac' team walked away.

6. Before and after the Molsey fight, Floyd said that everyone he faced from that point on would have to take OSDT all the way up until the fight.

7.WEEKS later, Pac agreed to a 14 day cutoff that was not being offered any longer.

floyd is not a good negotiator, when manny move closer to a goal of 14 days- floyd just got exasperated and remove that offer off negotiation- thus the breakdown of negotiation.

Floyd and Pac weren't even doing thier own negotiating, so more nonesense. Why are you making this stuff up, cuz it's a complete lie!

[megadeth]

Again, you're comparing apples and oranges in terms of their demands. What dont you get?

1) Penalty for going over the catchweight
2) Requiring a 0 day cutoff date for testing

Which demand has a direct effect on the actual fight for a boxer?
Is it that difficult for a Floyd fan to determine?

Why would either have a direct effect on the actual fight? Since Pac has been doing OSDT with Vada, what effect had it had on his actual fights? How about Floyd, Nonito, Ward, Mosley, Rios, Ortiz, Maidana, Marquez, or any of the other fighters that have done OSDT? NONE! So you still aren't making ANY sense as to how the comparisons are apples and oranges.
They are both demands that were governed by the the commision and both out of the ordinary. Neither should/would have an affect on the fight for a boxer.

[megadeth]

You're full of bs. Biggest Floyd homer on here. Keep suking on floyd's clinkers. Testing with a cutoff is still random. In addition, boxers can be tested after the fight.

Like i said you're living in the past and cherry picking with the offer made in 2009 to make excuses for your hero. There has been 5 years past of failed negotiations and drug testing has not been the sticking point for years. Floyd has been the A side the past few years..so if he really wanted the fight he would have made it happen. But he doesnt give a f about you or anyone else...just his money and his 0. It's comical how anyone can be a fan of the pos. Your hero sucks period.

Its random during the time that it's being implimented, but what need is there for a cutoff? Since that time, Pac has shown that there was NO NEED for a cutoff since he has done OSDT all the way to the fight. So why are you defending the fact that he asked for it then? Obviously the reasons that he had originally were just excuses since now those "reasons" have completely disappeared and we have found out that he was able to do OSDT up to the fight.

I love how you keep saying "you are living in the past" as a defense, yet those very negotiations were the starting point where people like you said that Floyd was ducking. Not once did I hear a mass exodus of people go back and say "Oh we were wrong...Floyd wanted to make the fight and Pac walked away". Not even after Ariza and Roach admitted as much. Then you will go through the 5 years and take Pac word for it when he says he wants to make the fight. But when Floyd says the same "he isn't sincere" Pac has done nothing but SAY he wants the fight. EVERYTIME the fight had a chance to be made or possibly could've been made, he did the opposite. That is a fact, not opinion.

First negotiation: Pac's team walked away for something things that were later proven to be lies.

2nd negotiation: Pac doesn't bother negotiating/Arum make exuse after excuse.

1st Possible chance:Pac could've explored free agency to see what his value was outside of TR(THE NORMAL BUSINESS DECISION A SUPERSTART OF HIS CALIBER WOULD MAKE) or had at the very least had a clause written into his contract to guarantee serious negotiations for the Floyd fight to be made. Instead he signed up for another 2 yrs with TR and a juicy nailbiter of a fight Pac/Algieri.

All of the ACTIONS say the fight isn't that important, yet his words say the opposite, so we should believe his words??

[luisivich]

What are you talking about? That is not what happened. Floyd started at 0 days during negotiations(Negotiations were greenlighted on Nov 15 2009) and he COMPROMISED moving from 0 to 14 days while Pac went the other way. There are plent of videos where Pac and his team are all over the place on dates. Pac saying he can't take tests ON THE DAY OF THE FIGHT, to Roach saying not a few days before, until they finally moved all the way up to 30 days. They then got caught LYING and had to move down to 24 days. Right before mediation, Floyd offered 14 days, it was NOT before negotiations started. Funny that you're saying that Floyd was offering 14 days during the negotiation, yet Arum said the complete opposite. In fact, he was even reprimanded by the arbitrator and was proven to be lying when he claimed saying that Floyd hadn't offered 14 days BEFORE arbitration, only to have to come out and admit it it later.

So the real timeline looked like:

1.Floyd: OSDT to the fight
Pac/team:'Freddie Roach reveals rumor about a request for Olympic-style drug testing, but says they will agree.

In a video titled "Boxing Legend Freddie Roach Updates Us On Pacquiao" uploaded to YouTube on DECEMBER 11, 2009, Freddie Roach reveals the first hint about Mayweather's request for Olympic-style drug testing, telling roving reporter Elie Seckbach, "I hear negotiations are a little shady. Schaefer and them are unhappy about something. They want Olympic-style drug testing. I said, 'Yeah, no problem.' I said, 'Whatever you want.' Since we excepted that, now they're running scared again."

And: Michael Koncz says request for Olympic-style testing is a laughing matter and suggests they have no problem with it.

Speaking to Lem Satterfield of AOL Fanhouse, Pacquiao's adviser, Michael Koncz, suggests that Mayweather's request for Olympic-style drug testing is a laughing matter and they have no concerns whatsoever about it. "Our reaction is, 'So what?' We know Manny doesn't take any illegal drugs or anything. And none of this is getting under Manny's skin or anything. I'm here with Manny, and to him, it's like a joke. It's a laughing matter," said Koncz. "It's something foolish anyway. Why would we be concerned? We know he doesn't do any of that ****."

So at least in the press, this is them essentially agreeing to OSDT up to the fight WHILE NEGOTIATIONS ARE GOING ON!

2.Then: Pac's team said that he would agree to 3 blood tests. One in JANUARY, one 30 days from the bout (no later than February 13), and immediately after the fight.

3.Then: Pac/Team were found to be lying and they moved to 24 days.

4. Next: Floyd compromises and offers 14 day cutoff, which was declined.

5. Lastly:No deal in arbitration and Pac' team walked away.

6. Before and after the Molsey fight, Floyd said that everyone he faced from that point on would have to take OSDT all the way up until the fight.

7.WEEKS later, Pac agreed to a 14 day cutoff that was not being offered any longer.




Floyd and Pac weren't even doing thier own negotiating, so more nonesense. Why are you making this stuff up, cuz it's a complete lie!

you got a long post most of it irrelevant.
you got 3 lines that held my attention:

"3.Then: Pac/Team were found to be lying and they moved to 24 days.

4. Next: Floyd compromises and offers 14 day cutoff, which was declined.

5. Lastly:No deal in arbitration and Pac' team walked away.

this what really happened.
pac initially wanted a 6 weeks cut off date with proposed dates of testing. that is pac first stance, then he move to 4 weeks cut-off,

floyd demands for no cut-off date but easily move on to 14 days cut-off when the negotiation started. floyd had been very consistent with that cut-off date holding that stance for almost 2 weeks.

pacquiao move his proposed cut-off from 6 weeks to 4 weeks to 3 weeks in that 2 week period.

the talks has broken down between pacs 3 weeks and floyd 2 weeks.

using your own words "Floyd compromises and offers 14 day cutoff, which was declined", then you could also say that manny's offer of compromise has been declined not only once but 4 times(pac actually agreed to 14 days cut-off). so if manny is unyielding for a compromise then floyd is 4 times as unyielding.