Bob Arum is a genius.

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Mr. Arum learned something from the Vietnam War and was able to apply it to the boxing world.

There are a fair amount of people, including myself, who believe that the Vietnam war was not meant to be "won." The war was meant to be sustained because war is big business for international bankers, arms dealers, etc. The war enhanced patriotic sentiment in some, and diminished it in others, but what was of utmost importance was that the money kept rolling in to the greedy rulers of this world.

I never realized how good Arum was at what he has done until talking to fanatical Pacquaio fans lately (which I've avoided doing most of my time at this forum). They really have no idea that Arum had no plans on putting Manny in with Floyd. If he did so, that would "end the war" because he himself believes Manny will lose and all the hype will be over. By not only avoiding the fight, but pretending to want it with bogus negotiations, etc., he could keep the money flowing in from Pacquaio fights and align Pacquaio with the greatest boxer of our generation. That gravy train was to be sustained for as long as possible. It did, however, hit a speed bump with Marquez.

How diabolical. But hey, if you're talking business, we have to admit it's genius. Why do you think Floyd doesn't want to deal with this scum. He knows he was wasting his time.

The Vietnam War was a auxiliary war during the Cold War. They did it so they could have troops and supply lines in the region to put pressure on the Soviet Union. To say that they only did it so they could make money off of it is an insult to all the people who fought and died over there.

[HeGotPacProblem]

You keep talking about unfair stipulations in the contract. Did you read the link I posted about the first negotiation? You claim 50/50 was never proposed. It's common knowledge by now that 50/50 was in that contract. Why are you refusing to acknowledge that?


I see that you joined this site in September 2014....which would be last month. lol. This could explain why you weren't privy to the contract that was sent in 2009. Did you become a boxing fan late, or are you simply an alt? Either way:

A contract sent on Dec. 11, 2009, by Golden Boy Promotions on behalf of Mayweather to Top Rank on behalf of Pacquiao proposed a 50-50 financial split between the sides for a fight that would have been held March 13, 2010.

The eight-page agreement is so detailed that it indicates which of the two fighters would step onto the scale first at the weigh-in (Pacquiao), who would walk to the ring first (Pacquiao), who would be introduced first (Mayweather) and who had first choice of the locker room (Mayweather).

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing-...010-fight.html

Oh so all boxing fans must be a member here the 2nd they follow boxing? Weak.

Nice try with your link but I actually skimmed it and Schaffer and May both denied proposing 50-50 in the middle of your article.

"Richard Schaefer, the chief executive officer of Golden Boy Promotions, said he did not recall sending a contract offering a 50-50 split."

"After his May 5 win over Cotto, which sold 1.5 million pay-per-view units and generated $94 million in domestic PPV revenue, Mayweather said he would not agree to a 50-50 split of revenue."

[travestyny]

Oh so all boxing fans must be a member here the 2nd they follow boxing? Weak.

Nice try with your link but I actually skimmed it and Schaffer and May both denied proposing 50-50 in the middle of your article.

"Richard Schaefer, the chief executive officer of Golden Boy Promotions, said he did not recall sending a contract offering a 50-50 split."

"After his May 5 win over Cotto, which sold 1.5 million pay-per-view units and generated $94 million in domestic PPV revenue, Mayweather said he would not agree to a 50-50 split of revenue."

Did you skip the part where Yahoo said they retrieved the document? Did they draft it up themselves?

Schaffer said in the article a few times he "did not recall." I don't see there where Mayweather gave any quote, but I do have a video in which Mayweather says he signed the contract. If you'd like, I'll gladly post it.

[travestyny]

The Vietnam War was a auxiliary war during the Cold War. They did it so they could have troops and supply lines in the region to put pressure on the Soviet Union. To say that they only did it so they could make money off of it is an insult to all the people who fought and died over there.

It didn't say it was the only reason.

But if you'd like to switch gears to the Vietnam War, I suggest you look into the reasons that were given for first entering into the war. Look up the Gulf of Tonkin incident. That was an insult to the people who fought and died there.

[HeGotPacProblem]

Did you skip the part where Yahoo said they retrieved the document? Did they draft it up themselves?

Schaffer said in the article a few times he "did not recall." I don't see there where Mayweather gave any quote, but I do have a video in which Mayweather says he signed the contract. If you'd like, I'll gladly post it.

I'll take Schaffers direct quote over anything Yahoo "retrieved." The contract could have been a draft and leaked to Yahoo for all you know.

Why don't you answer the question...you're defending Mayweather tooth and nail from your perspective of the info that's out there, but which man has more to lose in a fight?

[travestyny]

I'll take Schaffers direct quote over anything Yahoo "retrieved." The contract could have been a draft and leaked to Yahoo for all you know.

Why don't you answer the question...you're defending Mayweather tooth and nail from your perspective of the info that's out there, but which man has more to lose in a fight?

lol. A draft that leaked and was that detailed and sent to top rank?


Your question is irrelevant. I don't know why you keep pushing that. If Mayweather has more to lose, how would that allow you to jump to the conclusion that he is scared?

You claimed Mayweather said he didn't send the contract. Would you like that video now? Just pulled it up, so let me know.

[HeGotPacProblem]

lol. A draft that leaked and was that detailed and sent to top rank?


Your question is irrelevant. I don't know why you keep pushing that. If Mayweather has more to lose, how would that allow you to jump to the conclusion that he is scared?

You claimed Mayweather said he didn't send the contract. Would you like that video now? Just pulled it up, so let me know.

You want the video with Mayweather claiming health first?

How is my question not relevant? There are excuses from both sides over all these years, so a smart person would have to analyze the situation objectively which I don't think you can because you seem like another Floyd homer. I'm a Pacman fan but not a Pacman homer.

You really think Pacman losing to Mayweather is going to tarnish his legacy and rep more so than vice versa?

[travestyny]

How is my question not relevant? There are excuses from both sides over all these years, so a smart person would have to analyze the situation objectively which I don't think you can because you seem like another Floyd homer.

You really think Pacman losing to Mayweather is going to tarnish his legacy and rep more so than vice versa?

I never said who would be tarnished more if they lost, so I'm not sure why you're jumping to that conclusion. The only thing I've said is that Bob Arum was never interested in making this fight. Everything that has been put out there seems to support that.

With Mayweather approving what was a very fair contract, I'm not sure how anyone would be able to argue that he was ever afraid to fight Pacquaio. Like I said before, it seems he was frustrated because of the 1st failed negotiation which presented a very fair deal, and then the bs false negotiations and realized Arum was bs-ing. That's the reason he doesn't want to work with Arum.

[travestyny]

You want the video with Mayweather claiming health first?

How is my question not relevant? There are excuses from both sides over all these years, so a smart person would have to analyze the situation objectively which I don't think you can because you seem like another Floyd homer. I'm a Pacman fan but not a Pacman homer.

You really think Pacman losing to Mayweather is going to tarnish his legacy and rep more so than vice versa?

To reply to your edit:

You're objective? You said 50/50 was never offered. When I showed you the link that clearly says Yahoo Sports received it, you said that an 8 page contract that was so detailed that it even said who would get to choose the locker room first was a draft.

You mention Schafer and Mayweather said they didn't recall sending the contract, but when I say I have a video of Mayweather saying he signed it, you bring up Mayweather saying "health comes first," when any logical person knows he's talking about not competing against someone who is under su****ion of being on performance enhancing drugs. And the su****ion seems fair since Pacquaio declined the contract because of drug testing.

Who is being illogical?

[HeGotPacProblem]

I never said who would be tarnished more if they lost, so I'm not sure why you're jumping to that conclusion. The only thing I've said is that Bob Arum was never interested in making this fight. Everything that has been put out there seems to support that.

With Mayweather approving what was a very fair contract, I'm not sure how anyone would be able to argue that he was ever afraid to fight Pacquaio. Like I said before, it seems he was frustrated because of the 1st failed negotiation which presented a very fair deal, and then the bs false negotiations and realized Arum was bs-ing. That's the reason he doesn't want to work with Arum.

I doubt that contract ever existed or that may have been the contract where they didnt agree on the drug testing schedule. There are tons of articles of $40 million offered by Mayweather's camp if you google it.