Bob Arum is a genius.

[Beater_of_ass]

I don't think it would have ruined Manny's career. But I do think his earning potential would take a big hit. Arum talks up this fight every time Pac is about to have a fight because he knows it helps to generate more buzz for Pacquiao, and it's no secret that over all these years Arum wanted only in house fights so he could receive the most money. Manny losing to Floyd back in 2010 would not have completely ruined Pac's career, but it would have been bad for Arum's business.

Floyd has been ducking Manny for 5 years.

[SterlingStained]

Mr. Arum learned something from the Vietnam War and was able to apply it to the boxing world.

There are a fair amount of people, including myself, who believe that the Vietnam war was not meant to be "won." The war was meant to be sustained because war is big business for international bankers, arms dealers, etc. The war enhanced patriotic sentiment in some, and diminished it in others, but what was of utmost importance was that the money kept rolling in to the greedy rulers of this world.

I never realized how good Arum was at what he has done until talking to fanatical Pacquaio fans lately (which I've avoided doing most of my time at this forum). They really have no idea that Arum had no plans on putting Manny in with Floyd. If he did so, that would "end the war" because he himself believes Manny will lose and all the hype will be over. By not only avoiding the fight, but pretending to want it with bogus negotiations, etc., he could keep the money flowing in from Pacquaio fights and align Pacquaio with the greatest boxer of our generation. That gravy train was to be sustained for as long as possible. It did, however, hit a speed bump with Marquez.

How diabolical. But hey, if you're talking business, we have to admit it's genius. Why do you think Floyd doesn't want to deal with this scum. He knows he was wasting his time.

****** ****** logic which actually applies to floyd mayweather jr. not pacquiao. floyd is the one whose entire worth and legacy is all about being undefeated. pacquiao has lost several times, multiple ko losses. he had loses before he was a star and had losses when he was a star.

its a damn shame that a floyd fan is projecting his idiotic logic of not losing as some marketing ploy that pacquiao and arum are using when its basically the business and marketing model of floyd jr.

what an absolute fail of a thread.

pacquiao even went on first take and told stephen a smith that he and floyd talked and that floyd mentioned that if he loses he loses a lot of money but floyd mentioned that if pacquiao loses he can still make money doing other things like politics.

there is video of this bro.

[Ruthless One]

Some of your response has nut Huggery in it. I broke this down years ago. Arum doesn't want PAC to fight Floyd for a few reasons he would earn more money without Floyd, if PAC fought Floyd and lost arum loses a cash cow. He also had no confidence in PAC so why take a gamble he is protecting his cash cow. But the thing is Floyd thinks just like arum. Floyd doesn't want the fight either. He came out of retirement attached his name to pacs and waited for him to finally lose so he can tell people see this guy was a hype. He has done this before. Floyd knew PAC was a threat if he lost to manny his stock would die because people got to see hi lose. So Floyd protects himself by fighting the least possible threat, knowing his boring style is not a draw and his undefeated record and people wanting to see the bad guy lose was his draw gimmick.

It's both Floyd and arum who have made this fight never happen.

Good post.

[JJRod]

Arum protecting Pacquiao from the biggest Paycheck and biggest bout in boxing history is beyond laughable.

If Arum was protecting Pacquiao from say a Keith Thurman, a Ruslan Provodnikov, or Maurio Herrera, guys who would pose a threat and bring nothing to the table financially then I'd say you had a point.

But to say he wouldn't want Pacquiao to participate in the fight that would break all of the financial records in boxing, is ******.

[tangalog2200]

Mr. Arum learned something from the Vietnam War and was able to apply it to the boxing world.

There are a fair amount of people, including myself, who believe that the Vietnam war was not meant to be "won." The war was meant to be sustained because war is big business for international bankers, arms dealers, etc. The war enhanced patriotic sentiment in some, and diminished it in others, but what was of utmost importance was that the money kept rolling in to the greedy rulers of this world.

I never realized how good Arum was at what he has done until talking to fanatical Pacquaio fans lately (which I've avoided doing most of my time at this forum). They really have no idea that Arum had no plans on putting Manny in with Floyd. If he did so, that would "end the war" because he himself believes Manny will lose and all the hype will be over. By not only avoiding the fight, but pretending to want it with bogus negotiations, etc., he could keep the money flowing in from Pacquaio fights and align Pacquaio with the greatest boxer of our generation. That gravy train was to be sustained for as long as possible. It did, however, hit a speed bump with Marquez.

How diabolical. But hey, if you're talking business, we have to admit it's genius. Why do you think Floyd doesn't want to deal with this scum. He knows he was wasting his time.

if bob, the genius you say he is, could make pac jmm 1 to 4 and reap his greens $$$,
what stopped bob from doing pac vs floyd 1 -4? less money?

[travestyny]

****** ****** logic which actually applies to floyd mayweather jr. not pacquiao. floyd is the one whose entire worth and legacy is all about being undefeated. pacquiao has lost several times, multiple ko losses. he had loses before he was a star and had losses when he was a star.

its a damn shame that a floyd fan is projecting his idiotic logic of not losing as some marketing ploy that pacquiao and arum are using when its basically the business and marketing model of floyd jr.

what an absolute fail of a thread.

pacquiao even went on first take and told stephen a smith that he and floyd talked and that floyd mentioned that if he loses he loses a lot of money but floyd mentioned that if pacquiao loses he can still make money doing other things like politics.

there is video of this bro.

How does it apply to Floyd Mayweather if he is the only one to ever sign a contract for the fight to happen. If Pac would have agreed during the first negotiation, the fight would have been on.

[travestyny]

if bob, the genius you say he is, could make pac jmm 1 to 4 and reap his greens $$$,
what stopped bob from doing pac vs floyd 1 -4? less money?

I'm guessing because Arum wanted to milk the in house fights.

But c'mon, if you're one of the biggest promoters in boxing, how could you ever claim that you don't know how to contact Floyd Mayweather Jr.?

Really?

That's like the President of China saying he doesn't know how to get in touch with *****.

Do those of you that disagree really believe that Bob Arum, who admit to twice "negotiating" without contacting anyone from Mayweather's side, really has tried to make this fight?

[HeGotPacProblem]

How does it apply to Floyd Mayweather if he is the only one to ever sign a contract for the fight to happen. If Pac would have agreed during the first negotiation, the fight would have been on.

I sent you a signed contract for a fight...i get $900 and you get $100 with no ppv $, plus you must use feather gloves(no cleto reyes), giant size ring, must be at MGM grand, you go first during weigh in and entrance to fight, bayless will be ref, you must sing when they sing my national anthem.

[HeGotPacProblem]

I'm guessing because Arum wanted to milk the in house fights.

But c'mon, if you're one of the biggest promoters in boxing, how could you ever claim that you don't know how to contact Floyd Mayweather Jr.?

Really?

That's like the President of China saying he doesn't know how to get in touch with *****.

Do those of you that disagree really believe that Bob Arum, who admit to twice "negotiating" without contacting anyone from Mayweather's side, really has tried to make this fight?

You take his quote literal. Again, all outsiders can do is speculate. He probably tried contacting who he normally does for Mayweather but was brushed off or left at a stand still with negotiations. Again I ask, who has more to lose if the 2 took the fight...the guy who is 47-0 or 57-5?

[travestyny]

I sent you a signed contract for a fight...i get $900 and you get $100 with no ppv $, plus you must use feather gloves(no cleto reyes), giant size ring, must be at MGM grand, you go first during weigh in and entrance to fight, bayless will be ref, you must sing when they sing my national anthem.

You keep talking about unfair stipulations in the contract. Did you read the link I posted about the first negotiation? You claim 50/50 was never proposed. It's common knowledge by now that 50/50 was in that contract. Why are you refusing to acknowledge that?


I see that you joined this site in September 2014....which would be last month. lol. This could explain why you weren't privy to the contract that was sent in 2009. Did you become a boxing fan late, or are you simply an alt? Either way:

A contract sent on Dec. 11, 2009, by Golden Boy Promotions on behalf of Mayweather to Top Rank on behalf of Pacquiao proposed a 50-50 financial split between the sides for a fight that would have been held March 13, 2010.

The eight-page agreement is so detailed that it indicates which of the two fighters would step onto the scale first at the weigh-in (Pacquiao), who would walk to the ring first (Pacquiao), who would be introduced first (Mayweather) and who had first choice of the locker room (Mayweather).

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--floyd-mayweather-and-manny-pacquiao-nearly-agreed-to-a-2010-fight.html