Bob Arum is a genius.

[DARKSEID]

Except the hype is already over. Pac is on the downside and probably won't break a million buys again. Dude is 36.

What can Floyd do that Marquez hasn't already done twice? Your post is full of holes.

[HeGotPacProblem]

Hhmmm I wonder who's legacy takes the bigger hit from a lost. If Manny loses to Floyd it's by boring fashion, a SD or UD. Floyd scared to engage and pot shots from the outside all night, Ref Bayless breaks the action as soon as Pacquiao cuts the distance.History has taut us Manny's career doesn't take a bad hit from losing to Floyd this way.
On the other hand if Floyd is not able to keep Pacquiao off of him.
Pacquiao KO's Mayweather and that will do big damage to Floyds ability to sell PPV because he has built his legacy on that zero.
No matter how Pac beats him KO or decision.
So who has more to lose here and who is really scared to fight?

This is what I've asked a few times here, the Floyd backers keep ignoring it, OP included. Both sides blame eachother, but as an objective outsider, you ask that and it should not be debatable based on that premise. Arum and 50 cent who have worked and was close with Mayweather said the same thing.

Who has more to lose by taking the fight between the 2? The guy who is 47-0 or 56-5?

[torosboxing75]

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[hectari]

Mr. Arum learned something from the Vietnam War and was able to apply it to the boxing world.

There are a fair amount of people, including myself, who believe that the Vietnam war was not meant to be "won." The war was meant to be sustained because war is big business for international bankers, arms dealers, etc. The war enhanced patriotic sentiment in some, and diminished it in others, but what was of utmost importance was that the money kept rolling in to the greedy rulers of this world.

I never realized how good Arum was at what he has done until talking to fanatical Pacquaio fans lately (which I've avoided doing most of my time at this forum). They really have no idea that Arum had no plans on putting Manny in with Floyd. If he did so, that would "end the war" because he himself believes Manny will lose and all the hype will be over. By not only avoiding the fight, but pretending to want it with bogus negotiations, etc., he could keep the money flowing in from Pacquaio fights and align Pacquaio with the greatest boxer of our generation. That gravy train was to be sustained for as long as possible. It did, however, hit a speed bump with Marquez.

How diabolical. But hey, if you're talking business, we have to admit it's genius. Why do you think Floyd doesn't want to deal with this scum. He knows he was wasting his time.

Some of your response has nut Huggery in it. I broke this down years ago. Arum doesn't want PAC to fight Floyd for a few reasons he would earn more money without Floyd, if PAC fought Floyd and lost arum loses a cash cow. He also had no confidence in PAC so why take a gamble he is protecting his cash cow. But the thing is Floyd thinks just like arum. Floyd doesn't want the fight either. He came out of retirement attached his name to pacs and waited for him to finally lose so he can tell people see this guy was a hype. He has done this before. Floyd knew PAC was a threat if he lost to manny his stock would die because people got to see hi lose. So Floyd protects himself by fighting the least possible threat, knowing his boring style is not a draw and his undefeated record and people wanting to see the bad guy lose was his draw gimmick.

It's both Floyd and arum who have made this fight never happen.

[Pony Boy]

Who is this guy fooling with his Vietnam War history? When Floyd has been making excuses since day one. So the same could be said of Floyd. He really doesn't want to risk loosing his O and hurting his Ego by facing the only threat that has been persistently haunting him for years and giving pressure by all the media. His main excuse is "I'm not going to make Arum richer." If he hates Arum so much they why did he not take the fight years ago and demolish Arum's money cow? Cause they have their doubts!

[travestyny]

Some of your response has nut Huggery in it. I broke this down years ago. Arum doesn't want PAC to fight Floyd for a few reasons he would earn more money without Floyd, if PAC fought Floyd and lost arum loses a cash cow. He also had no confidence in PAC so why take a gamble he is protecting his cash cow. But the thing is Floyd thinks just like arum. Floyd doesn't want the fight either. He came out of retirement attached his name to pacs and waited for him to finally lose so he can tell people see this guy was a hype. He has done this before. Floyd knew PAC was a threat if he lost to manny his stock would die because people got to see hi lose. So Floyd protects himself by fighting the least possible threat, knowing his boring style is not a draw and his undefeated record and people wanting to see the bad guy lose was his draw gimmick.

It's both Floyd and arum who have made this fight never happen.

The thing is, I could believe what you're saying if Mayweather never signed a contract to fight Pac. It just doesn't make sense to say that Mayweather was avoiding someone when during the first negotiation he made an offer that was very fair. Everything was agreed to except drug testing, and it seems odd and su****ious that drug testing would be a deal breaker. That was the best chance for this fight being made, and that was the very first negotiation. After that is when Mayweather removed the 50/50 option and began not wanting to work with Bob Arum because I think it became obvious he wasn't dealing in good faith.

[travestyny]

Who is this guy fooling with his Vietnam War history? When Floyd has been making excuses since day one. So the same could be said of Floyd. He really doesn't want to risk loosing his O and hurting his Ego by facing the only threat that has been persistently haunting him for years and giving pressure by all the media. His main excuse is "I'm not going to make Arum richer." If he hates Arum so much they why did he not take the fight years ago and demolish Arum's money cow? Cause they have their doubts!

HE DID try to take the fight years ago! Manny refused due to the drug testing request when he was given a very fair offer of 50/50, and that was during the very first negotiation.

[travestyny]

Your theory makes no sense.
Arum makes 27% of all Pacquiao's purses.
A fight with Mayweather at the time was estimated to reach the 2.5-3.0 million PPV buys, a fight that would generate money in excess of 150 million dollars.

Why would Arum, a business man, a man who is in this sport to make money deny himself part of that paycheck?

Because he could make more money over a longer period of time by having in house fights, maybe...?

[travestyny]

There would have been a rematch because of the amount of money both guys would have made. I'm only 31 and I don't know a lot of old boxing history, but only a 13 year old casual who watches 1 guy fight once a year would think that a loss would ruin Manny's career. Manny might not be the draw he was before being KO'd but Floyd isn't the draw he was either and he's never lost.

I don't think it would have ruined Manny's career. But I do think his earning potential would take a big hit. Arum talks up this fight every time Pac is about to have a fight because he knows it helps to generate more buzz for Pacquiao, and it's no secret that over all these years Arum wanted only in house fights so he could receive the most money. Manny losing to Floyd back in 2010 would not have completely ruined Pac's career, but it would have been bad for Arum's business.

[JJRod]

Because he could make more money over a longer period of time by having in house fights, maybe...?

I would agree with you. Except all those in house fights don't add up to what one nights worth of work would have gotten him with a Mayweather fight. We're talking about a split of over 150 million to which Arum gets 27% of Pacquia's share. All in one night.

You also fail to mention the possibility of a rematch, which would garner more money.

And as people on here have already said, losing to Mayweather wouldn't necessarily ruin Pacquiao. He would still be a big draw and still be able to make money. Just look at Canelo. The guy still gets paid.