Bob Arum is a genius.

[travestyny]

i always believe that history should be studied on on the proper time frame and context of that time frame.
1. the 40 million offer was offered before manny loss to marquez. and manny p4p number 1.
2. manny's give to charity" quote happen 2 years later as a reply to floyd comments of "manny is just doing it for money" "manny doing it because he has tax problems" floyd has commented this quotes because manny is calling him out.

if you'll not be putting your narratives in the proper time frame and context then it is called a spin.

Um, there was no spin, man. I'm well aware of the order. I only said I wish Pac would have said gimme that 40 instead of saying what we all knew was bs. I don't see anywhere in my post where I attempted to reverse the order.

[HeGotPacProblem]

Ok...Floyd has Judah...a FASTER than Floyd Southpaw. Name one slick boxer like a Floyd that Pac has fought. AT LEAST Floyd has Judah. Now name a fighter faster than Pac that he's fought? Again, I post those things cuz you have double standards and never ask the same of Pac.

Dude you make everything a pissing contest when someone critiques Floyd. Pac is not the guy claiming he is tbe. I dislike Floyd but he obviously is ranked ahead of Manny on the atg list.

Pac is one of the fastest out there so hard to come up with boxers. Plus Floyd gets the flak for avoiding others like Sergio, williams, margarito if you want to go there. It's like me asking you who has Floyd fought who was better defensively.than him?

Read if you're not a homer...
http://www.**********.com/pag/article.php?aid=22736

[travestyny]

Surely Floyd is the real genius for brainwashing so many of you goons into believing that he actually wanted the fight in spite of all his contradictions and years of excuses.

Then again, given your collective IQ, it probably wasn't all that hard.

Man get out of here. You've added nothing to this conversation. What was the point of you posting?

Go watch Hatton get smacked up and ram his head into a ring post again.

[megadeth]

Safe from what? Like I said Pacman is 57-5....does it hurt him as much by losing to Mayweather than vice versa? Whats he going to lose? His career and legacy isnt cemented by an undefeated record. He's not fighting to preserve a 0.

Pacman went toe to toe with JMM in fights and he still wanted a 5th fight...thats 1 of the main differences between him and Floyd. Manny really fights for his love of boxing and the fans unlike Floyd who is lip service.

No, it doesn't hurt him as much, but that doesn't mean that he was pushing for the fight. Why is it that you will look at the things that Floyd has said and ignore the things that Pac has done and Arum has said when it comes to making the fight.

Ok, I agree with u, but who cares if Pac goes toe to toe. He also got KTFO, so how smart was that. As a fighter, his main objective should be to win. He fought JMM toe to toe because he didn't think JMM would KO him. Why didn't he stand toe to toe with Margarito or Rios?

[HeGotPacProblem]

No, it doesn't hurt him as much, but that doesn't mean that he was pushing for the fight. Why is it that you will look at the things that Floyd has said and ignore the things that Pac has done and Arum has said when it comes to making the fight.

Ok, I agree with u, but who cares if Pac goes toe to toe. He also got KTFO, so how smart was that. As a fighter, his main objective should be to win. He fought JMM toe to toe because he didn't think JMM would KO him. Why didn't he stand toe to toe with Margarito or Rios?

KOs happen....you probably forgot what they are since you only watch Floyd fights. Pacquiao fights wild at times especially when he smells blood. He got caught with a counter from 1 of the best after he winning all of the rounds in the fight. If Manny fought like a mayweather he wouldnt get KOed. He would move around the ropes, clinch, potshot, shoulder roll, clinch, land a counter from opponents miss, rinse and repeat until the 12th when he can just run and hop around for 3 minutes.

There is no debating they are completely different boxers. The fact he is willing to take a 5th fight JMM, a guy he has gone.toe toe with and KOed should tell you he isn't afraid of fighting a mayweather. He wants to fight a guy who knocked him out.

[Weebler I]

Man get out of here. You've added nothing to this conversation.

I've called your thread out for what it is, a load of nonsense spewed by some red-barred Flomo who is willing to believe a web of contradictory lies from the illiterate woman beater just because in some way you feel he represents you.

Anyhow this is really another veiled Mayweather-Pacquiao thread meaning you should receive the banhammer asap. Talk some real boxing, not this garbage.

[megadeth]

Dude you make everything a pissing contest when someone critiques Floyd. Pac is not the guy claiming he is tbe. I dislike Floyd but he obviously is ranked ahead of Manny on the atg list.

Pac is one of the fastest out there so hard to come up with boxers. Plus Floyd gets the flak for avoiding others like Sergio, williams, margarito if you want to go there. It's like me asking you who has Floyd fought who was better defensively.than him?

Read if you're not a homer...
http://www.**********.com/pag/article.php?aid=22736

Again, its not a pissing contest. Its about you holding one to one standard(Floyd) and then giving a pass to the other(Pac) for the very same things. Don't give me that TBE that is a cop out. Floyd was getting the same treatment b4 he ever went on this TBE campaign.

Yeah Floyd gets flack for not fighting those guys and its the same double standard that I'm trying to stop with you. Sergio called out Pac at 150. Williams called out Pac when he was at 147. Pac waited until he was irrelevant until he fought him at 150.(When the fight was orginally talked about, Roach said "we are not crazy"). So why is Floyd given crap by people like you, but Pac isn't? Because you "like" Pac better? Well, that's being a fanboy, not a boxing fan.

[HeGotPacProblem]

Again, its not a pissing contest. Its about you holding one to one standard(Floyd) and then giving a pass to the other(Pac) for the very same things. Don't give me that TBE that is a cop out. Floyd was getting the same treatment b4 he ever went on this TBE campaign.

Yeah Floyd gets flack for not fighting those guys and its the same double standard that I'm trying to stop with you. Sergio called out Pac at 150. Williams called out Pac when he was at 147. Pac waited until he was irrelevant until he fought him at 150.(When the fight was orginally talked about, Roach said "we are not crazy"). So why is Floyd given crap by people like you, but Pac isn't? Because you "like" Pac better? Well, that's being a fanboy, not a boxing fan.

You can't be held to the same standard when the 2 are not equally ranked and only 1 guy is undefeated. I've already said Floyd ranks higher than Manny on the all time list.

[luisivich]

Um, there was no spin, man. I'm well aware of the order. I only said I wish Pac would have said gimme that 40 instead of saying what we all knew was bs. I don't see anywhere in my post where I attempted to reverse the order.

i get what you are saying. you'd rather that manny says "give me the 40 million" as a reply to "you are just wanted the fight because you have tax problems" and "you want it for money"
you had already admitted that the 40m is a bs offer. why offer it again? because manny's stocks has fallen due to loss to marquez? why not offer a percentage. if pacquiao's popularity has fallen then he'll get less, if it hasn't both will get their biggest take ever.
pvp is not an exact math. circumstances and stories matter more than past pvp. what does pacquiao bring to the table that no other fighter could. that would boost pvp if it is againts mayweather?
1. the fighter that could supposedly beat floyd.
2.the winner could be the best fighter in the last 30 years
3.why does floyd avoided this fight for 5 years
i'm sure we could think of more if we try hard enough. the scenario will boost p4p.

[megadeth]

You can't be held to the same standard when the 2 are not equally ranked and only 1 guy is undefeated. I've already said Floyd ranks higher than Manny on the all time list.

I can assure you that you are in the minority with this opinion, when it comes to Pac fans here.