Comments Thread For: Froch Rips Groves: Not Tough Enough To Be World Champ

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This. Froch is the man. The Yanks never tear down their own, why do we?

Also, all this bull**** about Froch ducking GGG is ridiculous. Do people actually believe this ****?

However it's not a straight duck since they aren't in the same division, but Froch made a facebook poll and heincluded Golovkin in it. Golovkin won it but Froch still chases the Chavez Jr matchup. These are simple facts, call it what you want. Personally I don't call it a calssic "duck" but he made a poll and after that decides regardless of who won the poll. Unclassy thing for his fans. Just like what Mayweather did in May in the case of the Khan-Maidana poll.
Why did he include GGG if he already knew that he won't end up fighting with GGG regardless of the poll?

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Froch has never ducked Ward or GGG. Nobody has ever tried to make a fight between Golvkin and Froch so how could he have ducked it?
The only time anybody tried to set up a rematch between Froch and Ward was when Eddie Hearn approached Ward about him possibly coming to the UK, and it was Ward who didn't want to do it. At least, not without getting such a big share of the purse that Froch would have been fighting for peanuts. This is what Froch had to say about Ward last time he was asked:

"The reason that Andre Ward is never chucked in the mix is because the American TV broadcasters aren't really excited about him," Froch told Sky Sports News. "He's going through a big promotional dispute at the minute.
"He's a very, very good fighter and he beat me fair and square, he outpointed me. But he's messy, he's up close, he's awkward. He really is a bit of a spoiler. He's not somebody I'd be excited about getting in the ring with.
"Someone like Chavez Jr will come and fight, and give me the fight I want and what the crowd wants. The television broadcasters could get on board and it would be more lucrative."

Read more at http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/s...oGIFsBGZHeM.99

In the case of Golovkin look at my last comment before this.
As for Ward: This talk about "Ward can't sell" is a very common urban legend in boxing. He actually sells good and about the same numbers as Froch. Once I made a little research and I saw it. At least he admitted in your quotation that Ward beat him fair and square, but if a fighter is awkard and his stlye isn't fit to Froch than he looks after a less skilled, easier fighter who also less dangerous and has a tailor made style for him? What is this if not the avoid of real challanges? Froch suppose to be a "true warrior" who always looks for challenge himslef and want to be the best in his division if I know it right. Instead of that he chase the big money fight in Chavez Jr. and the only reason wherefor he will be #1 SMW ever is Ward's lawsuit. Pretty sad, isn't it? And he aso doen't tend to gice rematches when the decision was very questionable (first Groves fight, Dirrell fight) he just wants to get away with his questionable victory instead of prove that he really won. What kind of warrior mentality is it? I don't doubt that he is a tough warrior in the ring, but outside the ring he is an unclassy trashtalker. That's my opinion.

[kafkod]

However it's not a straight duck since they aren't in the same division, but Froch made a facebook poll and heincluded Golovkin in it. Golovkin won it but Froch still chases the Chavez Jr matchup. These are simple facts, call it what you want. Personally I don't call it a calssic "duck" but he made a poll and after that decides regardless of who won the poll. Unclassy thing for his fans. Just like what Mayweather did in May in the case of the Khan-Maidana poll.
Why did he include GGG if he already knew that he won't end up fighting with GGG regardless of the poll?

You're saying Froch is ducking GGG because GGG won Froch's facebook poll, but the fight never happened?
Now that's funny!

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

I don't like carl froch because he refers to himself as "the cobra" in third person.
I don't like carl froch because he has a canvas portrait of himself intertwined with a cobra in his living room.
I don't like carl froch because of the way he says the word "magnitude"
I don't like carl froch because I had to listen to his slag scream "****ing hit him carl, he's ****ing ****" all the way through the Abraham fight.
I don't like carl froch because he then had the nerve to complain about other people being disrespectful. Demanding a level of respect and acting like a child if he doesn't get it.
I don't like carl froch because haye aside, I have never known him to show solidarity or be supportive of any uk boxer, being openly spiteful and argumentative with khan. But when groves gets some sparring in with Kessler patriotism is bought up.
I don't like carl froch because he thinks he can dictate his own legacy, always has his cv full of boastful hyperbole to hand to point out where he should go down in history.
I don't like carl froch because his warrior spirit in the ring contradicts his insecure pseudo warrior personality. Using an oasis anthem for his ring walk in Manchester, standing in front of groves after the rematch and giving him his due saying they were neck and neck in there, then a week later saying he absolutely annihilated him.

I admit I'm a groves fan but i've disliked froch way before groves was anywhere near his radar, always seemed to have a chip in his shoulder.

I respect his toughness.
I respect the adjustments he made for the rematch, which I totally admit thought he was incapable of making, proved me wrong there.
I respect the level he fights at and everything he's done in boxing given his natural ability.

But the way he is as a person has always overshadowed those achievements for me.

+ 100000 , I do totally agree with you

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You're hardly one to talk!

And so are everyone else for that matter, people hate boxers because of their personalities all the time - Whether it's Haye or Khan that talks to much, Froch contradicting himself or Groves having too much confidence.

If we were all to look at their skills solely, then it would be an entirely different sport to follow.

I can't think of one boxer I hate solely because of their personality. I have quite simple standards for who I like and/or respect.

[- Ram Raid -]

I'm all for jiving the mental mindscape of Carl Froch, the man is a fascinating oddity, but aside from Carl Froch bigging up Carl Froch (and how many fighters don't do that?) I don't see that there's much to pick at here.

He's not pulled this one out of his arse. It's not one of his special deliveries from the psycho-sphere of 'The Cobra' bemusing and befuddling the rational minded people of the world.

This is some evidence based reasoning right here. It could turn out to be the most accurate statement he's ever made about George Groves.

For the sake of British boxing I hope that it isn't so, but lets not confuse ourselves. This isn't top draw ego boosting psycho-babble from the international superstar (. . . "with my beautiful girlfriend Rachel Cordingley". . .). It has a hint of that but all in all it's a refreshingly reasonable statement from the man from Nottingham.

"I don't think George Groves is tough enough. He may prove me wrong but, from what I saw the other night, I don't see a future world champion at any sort of great level."

I think that's a pretty valid point.

[LacedUp]

I can't think of one boxer I hate solely because of their personality. I have quite simple standards for who I like and/or respect.

David Haye? Maybe not solely on personality but a good 70% .

[Dirk Diggler UK]

David Haye? Maybe not solely on personality but a good 70% .

David Haye was one of my favourite fighters. I grew to dislike him because of the antics he pulled that were all related to boxing i.e ducking, faking injuries, making horrendous fights.

[kafkod]

In the case of Golovkin look at my last comment before this.
As for Ward: This talk about "Ward can't sell" is a very common urban legend in boxing. He actually sells good and about the same numbers as Froch. Once I made a little research and I saw it. At least he admitted in your quotation that Ward beat him fair and square, but if a fighter is awkard and his stlye isn't fit to Froch than he looks after a less skilled, easier fighter who also less dangerous and has a tailor made style for him? What is this if not the avoid of real challanges? Froch suppose to be a "true warrior" who always looks for challenge himslef and want to be the best in his division if I know it right. Instead of that he chase the big money fight in Chavez Jr. and the only reason wherefor he will be #1 SMW ever is Ward's lawsuit. Pretty sad, isn't it? And he aso doen't tend to gice rematches when the decision was very questionable (first Groves fight, Dirrell fight) he just wants to get away with his questionable victory instead of prove that he really won. What kind of warrior mentality is it? I don't doubt that he is a tough warrior in the ring, but outside the ring he is an unclassy trashtalker. That's my opinion.

I've been thinking about this and trying to be as objective as I can about it.
I still cannot understand why so many people here accuse Froch of ducking Ward, when he has never turned down an offer to fight him or done anything at all to try and stop that match from happening.
He isn't chasing after Ward, that's true, but not chasing somebody is a different thing than ducking them, and Ward isn't chasing Froch either. As a matter of fact, he seems even less interested in fighting Froch again than Froch is in fighting him. The only time anybody tried to set up a rematch it was Froch's side who made the attempt and Ward's side who didn't want to know.
Here's another thought I had on this matter - Floyd is No1 p4p and Ward is No2. Both are unbeaten, elusive counter-punchers who would be big favourites to bamboozle and out-smart anybody who stepped up against them.
EVERYBODY wants to fight Floyd, but nobody seems to want to fight Andre. I wonder why that is?

[Scary]

Froch is the most fearless warrior of the last 5 years. Groves couldn't find anything positive to say about him, in the face to face, only that he took a good shot. It's just payback, paybacks a *****, even from the mouth of the Cobra.