who is the number 1 super middleweight in the word-FROCH OR WARD

[Weebler I]

Now I'm starting to wonder if you're blantantly lying or making stuff up.

Here's a "Source" from (TBR), like you mentioned above, dated Nov 13 before either guy fought Froch or Ward and Edwin Rodgriguez is still ranked higher:

http://www.tbrb.org/2013/11/17/12-november-2013/

Super Middleweight Champion Andre Ward

1. Carl Froch
2. Mikkel Kessler
3. Lucian Bute
4. Robert Stieglitz
5. Arthur Abraham
6. Edwin Rodriguez
7. Sakio Bika
8. George Groves
9. Brandon Gonzales
10. Thomas Oosthuizen

I'm not sure what you're getting at. I said above he was ranked #6 TBR and incidentally, and fwiw he was #8 with ESPN too after beating Grachev, but again that Grachev win wasn't even at SMW either.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat...dwin-rodriguez


I distinctly recall his ring ranking being #7 or #8, if you can provide something to the contrary, go ahead.

Rodriguez was not a top 5 SMW, his Grachev fight wasn't at SMW and the Ward fight wasn't at SMW.

[KevinHenry007]

Both Groves and Degale have been ranked higher than Rodriguez every year until now. So not sure what you're talking about. And they still are. Groves is ranked #4 as we speak, and Rodriguez is not even in the top 10. I don't think Rodriguez has ever been higher than 9th or 10th on ring's rating, but if you can prove otherwise, please do.

Whatever you say man. I just provided two links where Rodriguez was ranked higher than Groves/DeGale and you still refuse to acknowledge it.

I also broke down Groves and Rodriguez individual resume's and posted a video of Edwin running thru Grachev in less than 3 minutes. You continued to call Edwin garbage even though Erdei, Bute and Sillklah couldn't. You then proceeded to praise Daniel Geale, Paul Smith and Kenny Anderson while calling Edwin Rodriguez garbage.

BTW, the only time Groves became ranked higher was when Rodriguez lost.

For what it's worth, have a great day.

[daggum]

Top 5 rated in which source?

Yes, the stoppage was controversial, but I just provided two sources, one being a recommended source from Weebler himself, and Rodriguez was ranked higher and considered the better fighter in both, before losing to Ward.

no one ever considered rodriguez the better fighter. i had him losing to pryor jr and rosinsky. he nearly lost to Ezequiel Osvaldo Maderna. his only decent win was over grachev but that was at light heavy. he just sucks. groves win although debatable over degale and his performance in the first froch fight prove he is much better. groves also destroyed everyone cept anderson while rodriguez struggled with almost every fringe-contender he fought.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

i haven't seen a shred of evidence that indicates you even watch boxing, bro.

people who call golovkin "GGG" are usually newbies who can't spell gennady, golovkin, or gennadyevich.


you sound like you haven't had your cherry popped yet, bro. come to NSB and let me ease it in.

That kid buttslammed you

[black.ink]

Whatever you say man. I just provided two links where Rodriguez was ranked higher than Groves/DeGale and you still refuse to acknowledge it.

I also broke down Groves and Rodriguez individual resume's and posted a video of Edwin running thru Grachev in less than 3 minutes. You continued to call Edwin garbage even though Erdei, Bute and Sillklah couldn't. You then proceeded to praise Daniel Geale, Paul Smith and Kenny Anderson while calling Edwin Rodriguez garbage.

BTW, the only time Groves became ranked higher was when Rodriguez lost.

For what it's worth, have a great day.

Yet Groves is still ranked higher even though he's 'lost' 2 on the bounce...

[KevinHenry007]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. I said above he was ranked #6 TBR and incidentally, and fwiw he was #8 with ESPN too after beating Grachev, but again that Grachev win wasn't even at SMW either.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat...dwin-rodriguez


I distinctly recall his ring ranking being #7 or #8, if you can provide something to the contrary, go ahead.

Rodriguez was not a top 5 SMW, his Grachev fight wasn't at SMW and the Ward fight wasn't at SMW.

Provide something to the contrary? I already did... twice.

What was Groves or DeGale ranked in that same class?

[slimshandy69]

What the hell does that have to do with ANYTHING I just said you utter spaz?

you said Corrie saunders Wlad analogy is woeful because corrie saunders got kncoked out, yet Chad dawson got koed in the firdt round in his next fight, so surely that makes that win horrendous going by your logic.

Rodriguez couldnt even make the weight.

Compare that to kessler, bute(ward didnt dare fight and was ranked number 1 super middle), Mack, groves times 2.

Throw in the fact that froch has either degale or chavez jnr lined up and ward has no one, suggests froch beats ward not only by resume but by activity as well.

So sure you would have to admit that by any sane sporting ranking system that uses basic maths shows that froch is the number 1 super middle in terms of ranking.

[IronDanHamza]

That's not entirely true, but of course it added interest. Froch-Groves I sold out in 8 minutes, that was 20k. Froch-Kessler sold out in 20, another 20 k. Froch vs Groves I could easily have sold 40k tickets and probably more.

He definitely isn't as good as Ward, but that still doesn't change the fact that Froch will be remembered in far greater light than Ward because he is what he is. A warrior who fights everyone.

Ward will be remembered as a great fighter, but currenty he's wasting his time suing his promoter and doing TV stuff.



His wins will mean more to the history of the sport? Are you kidding me? That's not true at all. Froch has just as many significant wins and a helluva lot more rewatchable fights than Ward has.

When people, and I'm talking the general public, think of Ward, they're like "meh". Nobody talks about him on the forums, or about who he's going to fight next or about that one time when he fought someone that was a great fight.. nobody does that.

And his resume is certainly not better than Froch's. Stop yourself.

That's not true because I brought mine about 6 hours after they went on Sale.

Not sure why they said that. But it definitely wasn't.

Still sold out pretty quick though.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

you said Corrie saunders Wlad analogy is woeful because corrie saunders got kncoked out, yet Chad dawson got koed in the firdt round in his next fight, so surely that makes that win horrendous going by your logic.

Rodriguez couldnt even make the weight.

Do you even remember what you first posted? LOL....what a buffoon.

You compared Corrie Sanders beating Wlad to Ward beating Froch.

[JJRod]

I was directly talking about the Rodriguez fight. He had a year layoff and surgery. Rodriguez is a reasonable fight considering that. The money he is demanding shouldn't be an issue at all. Why even bring it up?

I disagree. I don't think Rodriguez was a reasonable opponent for Ward to fight on HBO. Especially when he wants the fight to be a main event, and he's asking for large money. Money that takes away from HBO's budget which in turn prevents them from buying better fights
Now if Ward wants to fight C level competition on Unimas or Fox, that's fine.