who is the number 1 super middleweight in the word-FROCH OR WARD

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Now I'm starting to wonder if you're blantantly lying or making stuff up.

Here's a "Source" from (TBR), like you mentioned above, dated Nov 13 before either guy fought Froch or Ward and Edwin Rodgriguez is still ranked higher:

http://www.tbrb.org/2013/11/17/12-november-2013/

Super Middleweight Champion Andre Ward

1. Carl Froch
2. Mikkel Kessler
3. Lucian Bute
4. Robert Stieglitz
5. Arthur Abraham
6. Edwin Rodriguez
7. Sakio Bika
8. George Groves
9. Brandon Gonzales
10. Thomas Oosthuizen

He said Groves 2. Groves was top 5 rated before the second fight, as he was pretty much leading the first fight before the controversial stoppage.

[KevinHenry007]

Why are you putting after in quotation?

Besides, it's a lot fairer to look at those, because everyone knows that fighters rankings often get elevated as they have a big fight coming up. You can also look at how many weeks they've been on the top 10 list. I'll bet anything Groves has been there longer.

I just provided two sources and Rodgriguez has been ranked higher than Groves and DeGale in both before either guy fought in November 2013.

[KevinHenry007]

He said Groves 2. Groves was top 5 rated before the second fight, as he was pretty much leading the first fight before the controversial stoppage.

Top 5 rated in which source?

Yes, the stoppage was controversial, but I just provided two sources, one being a recommended source from Weebler himself, and Rodriguez was ranked higher and considered the better fighter in both, before losing to Ward.

[Public_Enemy]

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter whether Rodriguez was ranked 5 or 8 the point is that Rodriguez was not a good opponent for someone like Ward. In fact the only reason he fought Rodriguez was because HBO had already turned down Dimitri Sartison, Caleb Truax and a list of other crappy opponents Ward was trying to get paid to fight.

He was coming off of shoulder surgery and a year lay off.

[RlCKY]

George Groves resume

James DeGale - At the time 10-0; DeGale wasn't even a top 10 SMW. DeGale is currently #7 and Groves fought him over 3 years ago.

Glen Johnson - Do I even need to touch on this? Johnson, God bless his heart, lost 3 consecutive fights before even facing Groves to make it 4 straight.

Paul Smith

Fransico Sierra

Noe Alcoba

That's it. That's Groves resume.


Edwin Rodriguez:

Don George - Holds a pretty good 1st round KO over Corneilus White

Dennis Grachev - Holds wins over Erdei, Sillah and arguably over Lucian Bute.

Jason Escalara

Ezequieal Maderna

Will Rosinsky


This is my theory, unless you're saying James DeGale (10-0) hold more weight than Grachev/George, because I refuse to count Glen Johnson coming off 3 straight losses, then Rodriguez clearly has the better resume. The rest of notable victories of Groves and Rodriguez either cancel each other out or go to Rodriguez, imo.

Lastly, let's look at why Chad Dawson is borderline HOF, especially when you consider Arturo Gatti being a HOF'er:

Harding
Ademek
Johnson
Tarver x2
Diaconu
Bernard Hopkins

Come on man. Adamek was a pretty good win for him. Hop also...no hall for Chad.

Gatti is there for different reasons.

Sorry to get off topic, I haven't read past this...so I'm sure this turned into a Mayweather/Pacquiao thread anyway.

[JJRod]

He was coming off of shoulder surgery and a year lay off.

The long layoffs are his own issue. He's the one choosing to fight his battles in court.
And I have no problem with him wanting a tune up fight after surgery but not for the money he is demanding from HBO. And if you're going to be fighting bums, then your ranking should suffer.

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Top 5 rated in which source?

Yes, the stoppage was controversial, but I just provided two sources, one being a recommended source from Weebler himself, and Rodriguez was ranked higher and considered the better fighter in both, before losing to Ward.

Well for starters, the same source (tbrb) had him top 5 prior to the second fight, and still have him top 5 now.

[LacedUp]

I just provided two sources and Rodgriguez has been ranked higher than Groves and DeGale in both before either guy fought in November 2013.

Both Groves and Degale have been ranked higher than Rodriguez every year until now. So not sure what you're talking about. And they still are. Groves is ranked #4 as we speak, and Rodriguez is not even in the top 10. I don't think Rodriguez has ever been higher than 9th or 10th on ring's rating, but if you can prove otherwise, please do.

[New England]

Poor intuition with regards to the bold NE. You know your stuff, you don't know everything/everyone, having a personal philosophy is like having a pet marmoset, because it may be very attractive when you acquire it, but there may be situations when it will not come in handy/endear one at all.


And i actually agree Ward is the better boxer, i said he does things in the ring that amaze me. He is 'special' we just don't get to see enough of it.
I was just calling it how i see it, whats wrong with transparency? I admitted i voted Froch cos' of course i'm going to be biased i'm a Limey.

I don't deny Wards abilities and issues he's having promotional-wise, he can't help his situation to a degree (with regards to opponent level/activity over the last few years). But i also don't deny whom Froch has fought in the last few years and activity levels.

It's a two way street NE. One's fighting more and better opposition and one isn't currently, it's how it is, quite simple. Again i'm not 'against Ward' either.

I hear red wine calms the nerves and helps thin the blood. Golovkin? Last i checked this thread is about Froch and Ward, mis-direction bringing other names into it is another problem here. But we can talk GGG, who's ducking him ward or froch? Who's most likely not to fight him based on each fighters history? The brit v us mentality, again. Getting old and sad.

Like a hamster on a wheel at times, and i like you.
Again the bold, gravely mistaken. Just because i hardly hit up NSB (because its a mess on the whole). You assume i know nothing about the sport?

Jumping to conclusions can be a bad exercise, ignorance can often be obtained by doing that, ignorance, the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc. That's just the vibe i'm getting with regards to the 1st sentence of that post.

They're both legends in their own rights....G'day. X

i haven't seen a shred of evidence that indicates you even watch boxing, bro.

people who call golovkin "GGG" are usually newbies who can't spell gennady, golovkin, or gennadyevich.


you sound like you haven't had your cherry popped yet, bro. come to NSB and let me ease it in.

[Public_Enemy]

The long layoffs are his own issue. He's the one choosing to fight his battles in court.
And I have no problem with him wanting a tune up fight after surgery but not for the money he is demanding from HBO. And if you're going to be fighting bums, then your ranking should suffer.

I was directly talking about the Rodriguez fight. He had a year layoff and surgery. Rodriguez is a reasonable fight considering that. The money he is demanding shouldn't be an issue at all. Why even bring it up?