Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[Jewish-Reptile]

Fury will force Wlad to the ropes and maul him. Not sure who is overlooking Fury more, Wlad himself, or scott-weiland.

Scott-Weiland. Wladimir does not overlook any man, that also includes trailer trash.

[LacedUp]

Vlad certainly never ducked anybody, weak opposition or not. The weak opposition theory is mythical, anyway. Lewis' resume isn't as impressive as you think it is when you scrutinize it in detail, and he is far from the dominance Vlad has demonstrated and still ongoing. Lewis retired comfortably at just the right timing, Vlad didn't, he is facing dangerous foes when pushing 40 and shows little signs of slowing down.

And again, Vlad is not to blame for the era he fights in. There is no Mike Tyson, Lennox, Foreman, Holmes for him to fight. Instead, he DOMINATES as a real champion does, and delivers KO's. You can't ask for more.

I agree with the last bit. It was "unfortunate" if you will that the other best heavyweight in Wlad's era was his brother.

You can't blame Wlad for the opposition he's fought. He's fought absolutely everyone that could be perceived as a threat in the last 9-10 years with very few exceptions like Arreola when he was undefeated who challenged for the WBC belt instead. Can't blame him for that.

You can however blame Wlad for not making the most interesting fights imo. But that is subjective. You can't deny his credentials in this era.

[bluzi]

Vlad certainly never ducked anybody, weak opposition or not. The weak opposition theory is mythical, anyway. Lewis' resume isn't as impressive as you think it is when you scrutinize it in detail, and he is far from the dominance Vlad has demonstrated and still ongoing. Lewis retired comfortably at just the right timing, Vlad didn't, he is facing dangerous foes when pushing 40 and shows little signs of slowing down.

And again, Vlad is not to blame for the era he fights in. There is no Mike Tyson, Lennox, Foreman, Holmes for him to fight. Instead, he DOMINATES as a real champion does, and delivers KO's. You can't ask for more.

I think his biggest downfall is that the sport has trended towards smaller guys and "big" fights between WC from other weight classes , a fighter that dominates like Vlad does in the most scarry division (1 punch can really take you out , its not featherweight) should get ton more credit , i said it before , if Wlad wouldve retired for several years during his reign and let Povetkin or Fury or Wilder or others that he already fought and won get some spotlight as champions and then return to maul them , he would be ATG in everyones eyes , but because no one gets the chance to shine everyone discredit every win he gets.... its sad .
the best example will be Fury when he hits the deck , he will become a bum in a second like Pulev and the rest of them.

[billeau2]

Vlad certainly never ducked anybody, weak opposition or not. The weak opposition theory is mythical, anyway. Lewis' resume isn't as impressive as you think it is when you scrutinize it in detail, and he is far from the dominance Vlad has demonstrated and still ongoing. Lewis retired comfortably at just the right timing, Vlad didn't, he is facing dangerous foes when pushing 40 and shows little signs of slowing down.

And again, Vlad is not to blame for the era he fights in. There is no Mike Tyson, Lennox, Foreman, Holmes for him to fight. Instead, he DOMINATES as a real champion does, and delivers KO's. You can't ask for more.

When you look at who vlad decided to fight, when you look at some of the contractual obligations negotiated, his responsability in the opponents he faced becomes....debatable.

When a fighter chooses to retire is a personal choice. Lewis did in fact clean the division out when he retired. And I don't think Vlad is more dominant. The press always made lewis out to be weaker than he was as a dominant champ.

yes the division does such and its not is fault...however he could have fought all the guys clamering right now...guys like Wilder, Fury, Steverne, instead of postmen and slow Pulev types. I blame him for this...that is what Lewis did if you go over his record. He never let guys get a lot of phoney press before he exposed them. And that is the big difference imo. Lewis would have fought Wilder, Stiverne, and Fury by now.

[billeau2]

I'll put it like that :

- I miss the old Wladimir Klitschko from 2010-2011-2012... the gentlemen, the great sportsman. Not the current one who says he's "the baddest man on the planet" and plays piano songs before a fight he won through blood sweat and tears against a guy who started boxing 6 years ago.

- I don't wanna discuss politics here on this forum and I am not accusing any belligerent of the conflict here : instead of financing the ukrainian armed forces, it would have been a lot wiser to just call for peace in this country. It's really sad to see brothers shedding rivers of blood just for purely ideological reasons etc.. I do respect every people's choice. I am not Ukrainian, nor am I Russian. I am totally fine with Ukraine joining the EU, as long as they respect the choice of their brothers from the East that have a different point of view( Wouldn't it be a lot wiser to split those regions from Ukraine ?)

- Last but not least, I got a genuine feeling that Wladimir Klitschko is a little bit fake. That he is playing a persona, " the tough, handsome boxer that can be quite intriguing at times". I don't know if Hayden Panettiere is dominating him but that's none of my business.

When it comes to Fury :

- Yes he clearly can be a total idiot at times but at least he is GENUINE. I really have a feeling that he 's enjoying playing that role but deep down , I got the feeling that he is a down to earth guy.

That being said, I really wish the best of luck for both fighters and may the best man win !

I miss the old Wladimir though, but Vitali has always been my favourite...in the ring.

Your way ahead of most posters in the amount of thought you have put into these issues. I think a lot of people should know before they laude, or for that matter, critisize any party in the Ukraine/Russian conflict that the movement was largely sponsered, supported, and encouraged by the wife of the state department head. There is tape of her giving instructions regarding whom should be "put in" as president of the Ukraine. She actually demands that Vitalie not be given the option to run...

This tells me that, without taking a partisan position, this is a politically motivated situation where geniune people are losing life and liberty. The klitschos should know and respond to this information...vitalie would have to be aware of it.

At the end of the day this tells me that self interest plays a role here and it takes off some of the patina that has shined on the brothers as humanitarians, concerned with people undergoing hardship.

Again...very important not to be partisan regarding this situation, which you make a point of doing...kudos.

[KnockoutNed]

Wladimir has proved he can work at a high intensity for 12 rounds over a higher quality of opposition than Fury. That is a fact.

If you are banking on the champ tiring before a guy who trains like a demon just to get into shape for fight night you're reaching to say the least. Klitschko is in shape and conditioned all year round, can same be said of Fury lol, nooooo ! The goof balloons between camps, dude will come unstuck through fatigue just as Ricky Hatton did when he finally stepped up to the very top level Klitschko too operates at.

No that's not a fact. What is a fact is that Wlad has proven to gas out and be knackered easily in fights.

What "high intensity" are you referring to?

You're very bitter over the fact Fury has far greater stamina than Wlad.

This will be a big advantage to Fury in the fight. Wlad isn't a pressure fighter or a body hitter so how da*** is he going to make him come unstuck from fatigue?

You don't understand Wlad at all and as per usual when it comes to Wlad fanatics you see a version of him that doesn't exist.
I see the real Klitschko , not you.

[Szef]

He's challenged twice because of gifts from the bs IBF system. He was given a mandatory spot undeservedly because of a pullout in 2008 and in 2012 he fought a journeyman for another shot at Klitschko.

Don't get me wrong, he's done well for someone who started boxing at almost 30 years old, but he's most certainly not very good. up until the 2nd Klitschko fight he didn't have a single eye-catching win.

It's not very hard to muster a good record when all you fight is journeymen or fringe guys.

That's not what I'm saying. But if you can't look at TT and see he's extremely ordinary, then there's nothing I can do.



Realistically Fury is one of Wlad's best opponents to date. This is on paper. You never know what's going to happen when they get in the ring - It could be easy, it could be hard - doesn't mean it's not an equally good win. Intangibles factor in all the time.

Squat? How's it squat? He's done more than most Klitschko opponents already and is clearly better than the likes of Pulev and Jennings. It doesn't take more than two eyes to realize that.

He might have lost against Haye in 2013. That doesn't mean he'll lose against Klitschko now.

Based on??

His height?

His resume?

Or maybe his "inside game"?

[Weltschmerz]

When you look at who vlad decided to fight, when you look at some of the contractual obligations negotiated, his responsability in the opponents he faced becomes....debatable.

When a fighter chooses to retire is a personal choice. Lewis did in fact clean the division out when he retired. And I don't think Vlad is more dominant. The press always made lewis out to be weaker than he was as a dominant champ.

yes the division does such and its not is fault...however he could have fought all the guys clamering right now...guys like Wilder, Fury, Steverne, instead of postmen and slow Pulev types. I blame him for this...that is what Lewis did if you go over his record. He never let guys get a lot of phoney press before he exposed them. And that is the big difference imo. Lewis would have fought Wilder, Stiverne, and Fury by now.

Vladimir signed a 5-fight extension with German tv this summer, he wont be retiring anytime soon and has plenty of time to beat what's left to beat.

[KnockoutNed]

When you look at who vlad decided to fight, when you look at some of the contractual obligations negotiated, his responsability in the opponents he faced becomes....debatable.

When a fighter chooses to retire is a personal choice. Lewis did in fact clean the division out when he retired. And I don't think Vlad is more dominant. The press always made lewis out to be weaker than he was as a dominant champ.

yes the division does such and its not is fault...however he could have fought all the guys clamering right now...guys like Wilder, Fury, Steverne, instead of postmen and slow Pulev types. I blame him for this...that is what Lewis did if you go over his record. He never let guys get a lot of phoney press before he exposed them. And that is the big difference imo. Lewis would have fought Wilder, Stiverne, and Fury by now.

Wlad's definitely ducked his share of opponents. Lewis, Sanders rematch, Williamson rematch etc. He's generally always selected people he knows he's going to beat. The poor quality of his opposition is of course impacted by the woeful era he fought in but that also counts against him when he's compared to any of the greats like Lewis for example who was more dominant while fighting a much higher calibre of opponents. Even underrated guys on Lewis' resume that nobody talks about anymore like a Zeljko Mavrovic would easily be top 3 career wins for Wlad.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Wlad's definitely ducked his share of opponents. Lewis, Sanders rematch, Williamson rematch etc. He's generally always selected people he knows he's going to beat. The poor quality of his opposition is of course impacted by the woeful era he fought in but that also counts against him when he's compared to any of the greats like Lewis for example who was more dominant while fighting a much higher calibre of opponents. Even underrated guys on Lewis' resume that nobody talks about anymore like a Zeljko Mavrovic would easily be top 3 career wins for Wlad.

Even guys like Arreola and Fury he selected for Nov 2012 before having to settle for Wach ? upon their refusal to face him.