Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[billeau2]

Wladimir has proved he can work at a high intensity for 12 rounds over a higher quality of opposition than Fury. That is a fact.

If you are banking on the champ tiring before a guy who trains like a demon just to get into shape for fight night you're reaching to say the least. Klitschko is in shape and conditioned all year round, can same be said of Fury lol, nooooo ! The goof balloons between camps, dude will come unstuck through fatigue just as Ricky Hatton did when he finally stepped up to the very top level Klitschko too operates at.

Vlad has never worked at high intensity...seriously?

[Redd Foxx]

Greens sent. Solid post.



Bullshi.t. You mistake confidence for arrogance.

Our current champ is one of the most humble champions in the history of the sport.

I can't believe anybody on here would attack Klitschko personally, he is charismatic, intelligent, their really is little to dislike. Fury on the other hand is absolute trailer trash.

Agreed. Absolutely bizarre that someone would call Wlad "arrogant" while defending Tyson Fury. Tyson, the guy who talks endless, mad shyt, compared to the man who is the epitome of "speak softly and carry a big stick". This thread has opened a portal into some bizaro dimension where everything is flipped on it's head.

[billeau2]

Wilder did not school Stiverne ? Did you not watch the fight ? He not only schooled him, he sodomized his ass.

You seem prone to exxageration...hyperbole. To each his own...yeah Wilder really koed Stiverne, left him like left hook lacy, check hooked into oblivion....

[billeau2]

Agreed. Absolutely bizarre that someone would call Wlad "arrogant" while defending Tyson Fury. Tyson, the guy who talks endless, mad shyt, compared to the man who is the epitome of "speak softly and carry a big stick". This thread has opened a portal into some bizaro dimension where everything is flipped on it's head.

Actually I would agree with you that Vlad showing a bit of cheek dealing with Fury is not arrogant...he was amusing imo and handled it as he should have.

Fury is selling a fight. Ill never understand why young fighters particularly put the weight of atlas on their shoulders, as if Fury does not have enough on his plate...but I can also cotton to the idea that to put food on the table there has to be interest in this fight, and Fury's behavoir does generate interest.

But Vlad also has every right to be amused by Fury's bs.

[LacedUp]

Did he voluntary elect to unify against Haye or was that an ordered unification, lol.

Fury has elected to avoid multiple 'final' eliminators, had he chosen to follow governing boby orders he would have likely have contended Vitali's vacated belt.

Fury has been the most protected fighters in the last few years, almost with disastrous consequences when he stepped out of the comfort of the UK, surprise surprise we did not see him venture out of the Isles since.

Haye vs Fury was the perfect example of his careful managing to those proposed dates, it would have been Fury's cashing out party, though I expect with the help of Warren and his ties with the WBO he could be rebuilt ala Chisora after his Haye defeat and compete in a title elimination.

Fury vs Klitschko is an intriguing match up, it'll be interesting to see if Wlad truly is on the decline, though I truly feel any version of Wlad from the past 10-11 years would easily handle Fury. I simply just do not hold Fury in that high regard, maybe I'm overlooking he is a potential ATG but I just don't see it. Fact is its gonna take a one supremely disciplined, power punching heavy who truly believes in himself, I recognise none of those qualities in Fury.

First of all lol @ "voluntary unification". Surely I don't have to explain the difference between a unification fight and a voluntary defense. But they are two different things so let's put that to bed right now.

Which final eliminators? The only final eliminator he chose not to fight was the IBF with Pulev in 2013. He didn't do that because he was offered £5million and a much bigger fight that would have given him a title shot of he won anyway.he would not have contested for the WBC as they did not let him fight for a final eliminator but instead pushed for Chris Arreola.

Cashing out party = careful management? I'm not sure you think where you want to go with this but it's contradicting.

Nobody's saying he's a potential ATG - And I'm sorry to break it to you, but other fighters who also were not ATGs have beaten Wlad and have beaten better fighters than Wlad in the past.

Fury does not have to be an ATG to beat Wlad.

[LacedUp]

...Arrogant...

Show me a world champion and I'll show you an arrogant man.

[Jewish-Reptile]

I am not English, nor a gypsy. You can't have watched Fury if you think he lacks some of these qualities you speak of, but alas they are opinions. I can virtually guarantee that Wilder in particular would not get far against any experienced fighter who can avoid one big punch. Steverne has good ring presence and some skills but is not experienced.

How is Stiverne not experienced ?

You seem prone to exxageration...hyperbole. To each his own...yeah Wilder really koed Stiverne, left him like left hook lacy, check hooked into oblivion....

Wilder dropped him and took 10,11 and 12 rounds on judges cards.

I'd like to hear your definition of schooling.

First of all lol @ "voluntary unification". Surely I don't have to explain the difference between a unification fight and a voluntary defense. But they are two different things so let's put that to bed right now.

Which final eliminators? The only final eliminator he chose not to fight was the IBF with Pulev in 2013. He didn't do that because he was offered £5million and a much bigger fight that would have given him a title shot of he won anyway.he would not have contested for the WBC as they did not let him fight for a final eliminator but instead pushed for Chris Arreola.

Cashing out party = careful management? I'm not sure you think where you want to go with this but it's contradicting.

Nobody's saying he's a potential ATG - And I'm sorry to break it to you, but other fighters who also were not ATGs have beaten Wlad and have beaten better fighters than Wlad in the past.

Fury does not have to be an ATG to beat Wlad.

You stated Wlad does not take tough voluntaries, right ? Did he not voluntary elect to face Haye ? I'm pretty sure the WBA could not order Wladimir to face their champion. You're a halfwit, you don't even know when you are being made a fool of.

Fury will never be a ATG, he hasn't the discipline, mental fortitude or abilities to achieve the status, unlike our present champion.

The WBC had Fury Johnson named a semi eliminator, Mitchell vs Banks being the other, upon Banks knocking Mitchell out Fury decided against competing in a final eliminator and decided to face Cunningham, the guy with fifty percent ko ratio in cruisers, lmao. Arreola was called up to face Mitchell Banks rematch winner after Fury dropped out of their eliminations, Arreola wasn't pushed he was handed by default a final title eliminator due to Fury's handlers withdrawing him from the WBC eliminations. If they or Fury had more belief in his abilities he would have been contesting Vitali's vacant belt versus Stiverne. Read it and weep. The cold hard truth is Vitali hadn't announced retirement plans by that point, likely the reason Fury wanted no part of the WBC title.

Fury was offered November 2012 vs Wlad too, Peter Fury is on record stating Fury was not ready, understandable given the frailties of his nephew exposed by the feather fisted Cunningham.

[Elroy1]

You seem prone to exxageration...hyperbole. To each his own...yeah Wilder really koed Stiverne, left him like left hook lacy, check hooked into oblivion....

Wilder certainly DID school Stiverne which is far better than anything on Fury's resume.

However Stiverne was basically dead already so in reality this win is meaningless, for all we know a healthy Stiverne could have knocked Wilder out. Judging by his recent performances, I'd probably lay a small price on that.

However Stiverne's game is excellent as far as his skills go, his drawback mainly being his abysmal workrate- even when healthy!! To say he has holes, as compared with Wilder or Fury, is ridiculous!

I think that Wilder's power is massively overrated but it is definitely enough to hurt Wladimir and for that reason he has a game changing punchers chance, which Tyson Fury, even if he is technically better than Wilder (debatable) simply does not have!

It is difficult to imagine Fury piling up enough punches on Wlad to stop him via accumulation, considering it has never ever been done before.

[Jewish-Reptile]

You seem prone to exxageration...hyperbole. To each his own...yeah Wilder really koed Stiverne, left him like left hook lacy, check hooked into oblivion....

What is exaggeration ? Stiverne was laid on top of Wilder with his head between his crotch, looked to me like Stivenre was having his mouth sodomized, cuddling the dude like a baby clung to its mother, Stiverne wasn't even competitive ! It was like watching Fury vs Chisora 2 but even more one sided. It was a schooling.

[LacedUp]

You stated Wlad does not take tough voluntaries, right ? Did he not voluntary elect to face Haye ? I'm pretty sure the WBA could not order Wladimir to face their champion. You're a halfwit, you don't even know when you are being made a fool of.

Fury will never be a ATG, he hasn't the discipline, mental fortitude or abilities to achieve the status, unlike our present champion.

The WBC had Fury Johnson named a semi eliminator, Mitchell vs Banks being the other, upon Banks knocking Mitchell out Fury decided against competing in a final eliminator and decided to face Cunningham, the guy with fifty percent ko ratio in cruisers, lmao. Arreola was called up to face Mitchell Banks rematch winner after Fury dropped out of their eliminations, Arreola wasn't pushed he was handed by default a final title eliminator due to Fury's handlers withdrawing him from the WBC eliminations. If they or Fury had more belief in his abilities he would have been contesting Vitali's vacant belt versus Stiverne. Read it and weep. The cold hard truth is Vitali hadn't announced retirement plans by that point, likely the reason Fury wanted no part of the WBC title.

Fury was offered November 2012 vs Wlad too, Peter Fury is on record stating Fury was not ready, understandable given the frailties of his nephew exposed by the feather fisted Cunningham.

I said he doesn't take hard voluntaries. A unification fight IS NOT a voluntary. I don't feel like discussing that on idiot level, so let's stop that. A voluntary defense IS NOT AND NEVER WAS a unification fight. You're calling me halfwit in the same sentence as saying "Wlad voluntarily fought a unification fight" The irony is staggering.

I never claimed Fury had ATG potential. He doesn't need it to beat Wlad.

Banks beat Mitchell and pretty quickly set up the rematch, when Fury was offered a IBF eliminator with Steve Cunningham. Fury vs Cunningham was fought before Banks vs Mitchell II and Arreola vs Mitchell.

Arreola had just lost an eliminator with Stiverne and then immediately fought another eliminator. Of course he was pushed. Fury had signed to fight Haye twice by the time the vacant belt was up for grabs. It has nothing to do with faith in Fury. As I said, you just don't know what you're talking about at all.

And? Fury was 23 years old and took a major turn in his career in 2012. he's in a much better position now.