Comments Thread For: Espinoza: Mayweather-Maidana Profitable, Part 2 Worthy

[ThePrince]

I don't think the promotion was 10mil, I think that # was used for the Mayweather/ Canelo fight. Don't think May / Maidana had anywhere near the promotion.

You also don't factor in site fees, closed caption, sponsorships,Movie Theatre gross, and no #s for International TV rights or any other sources of income.

It looks like Maidana got like 2-2.7 for the Argentina rights, Wonder what the rights in Mexico, England or the other countries paid.

This fight probably generated upwards of 100 mill everyone probably made $.

That $10 million in promotions fee was the number Schaefer said the Ortiz fight cost back in 2011 (per a NY Times article breaking down the particulars of Floyd's unique revenue sharing deal). I assume with the $ they sank into the fighters' purses, they didn't skimp on the promotional dollars, especially when inflation is taken into account.

And I basically did the max # of buys that the fight possibly did (900K) when the vast majority of reports have said it was actually in the mid 800K range. That's a total of about $3.5 million in revenue that would cover most of the supplemental income from TV rights. And I'm pretty sure they count closed caption, theater sales, etc with the buys. I've never seen a separate earnings report for that.

Plus, does anyone know if the promoters keep all of the gate $?

[Bronx2245]

You can't buy legacy pussnuts.

BALCO labs destroyed a lot of legacies. Barry Bonds, Marion Jones & her ex-husband, and Shane Mosely. Will they remember the home runs, the gold medals, the wins over De La Hoya? What will be Manny Pacquiao's legacy? The 8 division championships? The wars with Juan Manuel Marquez? Or the blood testing issue and Freddie Roach's admission that Alex Ariza was "shady?" In the end, Floyd Mayweather will be remembered not for his "in the ring" physical prowess (even though 46-0 is ridiculous), but his "outside the ring" business savvy. He developed the business model to turn fighters from employees to employers. He made his master a slave as he went from slave to master. You can hate his persona all day and night, but he is still the greatest boxer of our time.

[tomhawq]

BALCO labs destroyed a lot of legacies. Barry Bonds, Marion Jones & her ex-husband, and Shane Mosely. Will they remember the home runs, the gold medals, the wins over De La Hoya? What will be Manny Pacquiao's legacy? The 8 division championships? The wars with Juan Manuel Marquez? Or the blood testing issue and Freddie Roach's admission that Alex Ariza was "shady?" In the end, Floyd Mayweather will be remembered not for his "in the ring" physical prowess (even though 46-0 is ridiculous), but his "outside the ring" business savvy. He developed the business model to turn fighters from employees to employers. He made his master a slave as he went from slave to master. You can hate his persona all day and night, but he is still the greatest boxer of our time.

roidweather tested positive three times, doe.

[Bronx2245]

roidweather tested positive three times, doe.

Please give me references. I would like to read that article/s.

[R_Walken]

Showtime gets none of the MGM $ foreign money etc. they only get ppv %

Your right, I was talking about total revenue from the fight not Showtimes direct revenue.

That $10 million in promotions fee was the number Schaefer said the Ortiz fight cost back in 2011 (per a NY Times article breaking down the particulars of Floyd's unique revenue sharing deal). I assume with the $ they sank into the fighters' purses, they didn't skimp on the promotional dollars, especially when inflation is taken into account.

And I basically did the max # of buys that the fight possibly did (900K) when the vast majority of reports have said it was actually in the mid 800K range. That's a total of about $3.5 million in revenue that would cover most of the supplemental income from TV rights. And I'm pretty sure they count closed caption, theater sales, etc with the buys. I've never seen a separate earnings report for that.

Plus, does anyone know if the promoters keep all of the gate $?

I was going off the Canelo fight where they said the promotion cost 10 mill so I'm assuming that the Maidana fight cost less to promote.I could be wrong just speculation.

But I still think a event that generates in the ballpark of 100 million dollars is making $ for everyone involved. I just ant see the Maidana fight losing a bunch of cash and Showtime being ok witha rematch 4 months later. again just speculation on my part.

[ThePrince]

Your right, I was talking about total revenue from the fight not Showtimes direct revenue.




I was going off the Canelo fight where they said the promotion cost 10 mill so I'm assuming that the Maidana fight cost less to promote.I could be wrong just speculation.

But I still think a event that generates in the ballpark of 100 million dollars is making $ for everyone involved. I just ant see the Maidana fight losing a bunch of cash and Showtime being ok witha rematch 4 months later. again just speculation on my part.

Didn't even come remotely close to that figure. I have no clue where you're getting $100 million from.

BTW, here's the NY Times article I mentioned: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/sp...pagewanted=all

[Pigeons]

Didn't even come remotely close to that figure. I have no clue where you're getting $100 million from.

BTW, here's the NY Times article I mentioned: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/sp...pagewanted=all

When did you become a Manny Pacquiao diehard?

[ThePrince]

When did you become a Manny Pacquiao diehard?

Sometime in the late 1890s, during Grover Cleveland's second administration.

[lopez36]

If Showtime was taking a financial bath like some of you guys claim then they would have gone with Khan instead. Waiting until after Ramadan if they had to.

There's no way they go with Chino a second time if he's losing them money.

and what makes khan so great that all these ppv's will sell? i'm telling you i'm not saying they did badly just not what they wanted,and it's always safer to get maidana than someone else and risk doing even worse

[mikinoki]

Contrary to widespread industry rumors, Showtime Sports head Stephen Espinoza, the May 3rd bout between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Marcos Maidana was not a financial failure for his network.

Espinoza, while not disclosing the exact details regarding the pay-per-view numbers and the profits, rejects any claims that a bundle of money was lost on the show. According to industry sources, the PPV generated between 830-900,000 pay-per-view purchases. The show sold 15,718 tickets for a live gate of $15,024,400.
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Stephen Espinoza should get fired Paying all that money and not being able to make the fights that the fans want to see....