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  • lopez36
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    #31
    then why not disclose the ppv numbers? the only reason they doing the rematch is because it probably sold ok but not great,and what other boxer out there will do ok with the ppv sales? Thurman is unknown(although he's good),besides pacquiao who else is left? nobody and that's why they doing the rematch,they have no choice,it's either bad ppv numbers or ok ppv numbers,there is nobody out there,bradley? no way,alexander?he's worse,the best option is maidana

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    • al-Xander
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      #32
      The guy can't even come up with an official number in the TBDE/Maidana PPV. It could have been easily 500K-600K. That's how worse it was, most likely.

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      • R_Walken
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        #33
        Originally posted by ThePrince
        Espinoza must think we're idiots (and for some here, he's correct). Simple math tells you if the fight did a maximum of 900K (and most reports indicate it was closer to 850K) then:

        $70 per buy x 900K = $63 million

        Satellite and cable companies take 50% ($31.5 million)

        Gate = $15 million

        Total profit (not counting TV rights): $46.5 million

        Fighter purses: $38 million (just guarantees, no back end deals)

        Cost for promotion: $10 million (baseline for past Floyd fights)

        Total Expenses: $48 million
        I don't think the promotion was 10mil, I think that # was used for the Mayweather/ Canelo fight. Don't think May / Maidana had anywhere near the promotion.

        You also don't factor in site fees, closed caption, sponsorships,Movie Theatre gross, and no #s for International TV rights or any other sources of income.

        It looks like Maidana got like 2-2.7 for the Argentina rights, Wonder what the rights in Mexico, England or the other countries paid.

        This fight probably generated upwards of 100 mill everyone probably made $.

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          #34
          Originally posted by lopez36
          the only reason they doing the rematch is because it probably sold ok but not great,and what other boxer out there will do ok with the ppv sales?...they have no choice,it's either bad ppv numbers or ok ppv numbers,there is nobody out there....
          If Showtime was taking a financial bath like some of you guys claim then they would have gone with Khan instead. Waiting until after Ramadan if they had to.

          There's no way they go with Chino a second time if he's losing them money.
          Last edited by ShoulderRoll; 07-10-2014, 08:29 PM.

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          • gbonafide
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            #35
            Originally posted by Bronx2245
            Love or Hate, as long as they are paying, Floyd remains the highest paid athlete on planet earth. While your giving analysis on Floyd's PPVs, please explain why Pacquiao's PPVs are garbage. I'll wait.
            You can't buy legacy pussnuts.

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            • Bronx2245
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              #36
              For his efforts tomorrow night (Sunday morning) is guaranteed $18 million just to show up. His opponent Rios will make $4 million. Depending on Pay Per View sales, Manny's final payout could eventually top $30 million. Not bad for a few hours worth of work on a Sunday morning, but still nowhere near what Floyd Mayweather makes to step in the ring. After breaking Pay Per View records, Floyd took home roughly $85 million from his last fight against Saul Alvarez. How is this possible? Why does Floyd make so much more bank than Pacman?

              In order to make the really big money in the world of professional fight promotion, you need to follow the Floyd Mayweather's highly creative and highly lucrative business model. The reason Floyd Mayweather is able to take home as much as $80 million from a single night's work is because he owns every single aspect of his own events. Whenever Mayweather fights someone, he puts up all the money for the entire show, himself. He pays for the venue, the insurance, the vendors and even his opponent's purse, out of his own pocket. When Mayweather fought Saul Alvarez, he spent $15-20 million of his own money before a single punch was even thrown. He also put aside $40 million for himself as an appearance fee. The major risk Floyd is taking is that all these expenses occur before the fight happens. If there was a natural disaster like a hurricane, the fight would be canceled and Floyd would be out of luck.

              On the other hand, when the Alvarez fight did go through as planned, more than 2.2 million households ordered it on Pay Per View for $65 which generated $150 million worth of revenue. Even after a large percentage was taken out for the distributors and costs, Floyd was still left with a $45 million bonus. And 100% of that money went directly into his bank account (after taxes). When you add Mayweather's $40 million appearance fee and his $45 million PPV bonus, you can start to understand why he makes $85 million for a single fight.

              Floyd's brilliant business model is also partially to blame for why we have not and likely will not ever see him fight Manny Pacquiao. Unlike Floyd, Pacquiao fights for a boxing promotion company, namely Bob Arum's Top Rank Promotions. Pacquiao is essentially a highly paid employee of Top Rank. Pacman commands very high appearance fees, but at the end of the day he still splits the PPV revenues with Top Rank. Mayweather is not willing to risk his perfect record unless he is the sole promoter. That puts Floyd in the driver seat and so far the two sides have not been able to reach a middle ground. Mayweather has offered a flat $50 million fee with no PPV upside. But Pacquiao and Bob Arum are very aware that this fight would be the biggest Pay Per View event in history and could generate as much as $200 million in revenue. If those numbers were accurate, under his own model Floyd could take home $150 million! Arum's team countered with an offer that would pay Floyd $100 million and Pacman $80 million (55% vs 45%). Mayweather turned it down. Who knows if there will ever be a compromise, but you have to think that at some point Mayweather can't keep turning down $100 million! How much is a perfect record (and pride) worth? How much would you give up to go out on top without any losses?



              Haters need to pray for a hurricane!

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              • Daylyt
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                #37
                Originally posted by Pigeons
                This is one of Manny Pacquiao's biggest fans.
                Well he has Numbers and makes sense all you have is your lil innuendos.

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                • killakali
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by ThePrince
                  Espinoza must think we're idiots (and for some here, he's correct). Simple math tells you if the fight did a maximum of 900K (and most reports indicate it was closer to 850K) then:

                  $70 per buy x 900K = $63 million

                  Satellite and cable companies take 50% ($31.5 million)

                  Gate = $15 million

                  Total profit (not counting TV rights): $46.5 million

                  Fighter purses: $38 million (just guarantees, no back end deals)

                  Cost for promotion: $10 million (baseline for past Floyd fights)

                  Total Expenses: $48 million
                  a 15 million dollar gate isn't all profit. There are expenses associated in the arena advertising police security mgmg employees mgms cut etc

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                  • killakali
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by R_Walken
                    I don't think the promotion was 10mil, I think that # was used for the Mayweather/ Canelo fight. Don't think May / Maidana had anywhere near the promotion.

                    You also don't factor in site fees, closed caption, sponsorships,Movie Theatre gross, and no #s for International TV rights or any other sources of income.

                    It looks like Maidana got like 2-2.7 for the Argentina rights, Wonder what the rights in Mexico, England or the other countries paid.

                    This fight probably generated upwards of 100 mill everyone probably made $.
                    Showtime gets none of the MGM $ foreign money etc. they only get ppv %

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                    • !! Shawn
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by way2strong
                      by people not knowing the details between shotime and fraud jr he probably means the numbers we get for his purses are bull no way would a company give you 32m + PPV there would be no money in it for them.. The only Liar being Fraud gayweather
                      You might be on to something!

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