martinez: "it was a punch and not the knee"

[assiong]

An excuse? Ok lets pretend he hasn't had knee surgeries.

There was no way to know the state of his knees until he got in the ring and in the first few seconds, it was evident that they weren't there.

Cotto definitely hurt him so props for that but would Sergio be getting hit with every single left hook if he could actually bend his knees?

Dude, give it a rest. Did you see Sergio limping climbing on top of that ring? Was he limping seconds after the 1st bell rung? Was he limping after the first KD? Listen to what Lou DiBella said after the fight. Listen to Freddie on what the game plan was. It was a great game plan that executed perfectly. Please understand this. Freddie always have the best strategy and if his strategy is followed perfectly, the end result is a win. I agree with Freddie, if he had a right guy the first time he face Sergio, he would have won that fight as well. About Sergio's knees, watch 24/7 and all of his interviews before and after the fight. His knees has nothing or little to do why he lost last night, it was that punch that threw him across the ring that hurt him and the perfect strategy by Freddie that was executed beautifully by Cotto.

[SnakeVen0m]

THIS JUST IN:

Apparently Martinez fought with no knees at all. His Tibia and Femur where just being held together by a wad of Big League Chew and crazy glue. The guy didn't even have knee caps just two Mr Potatohead noses taped to the two potholes in the middle of his legs

This post is gold!!! hahahaha

[Dirk Diggler UK]

dude, its a ****ty horrific example because sergio is telling you that it's not his knee. he points the blame on a punch. when someone says "I got hit cold and never could regain my balance for the remaining of the fight" that's dismissing the "hurt knee" & telling you that he was simply still hurt from the first round. everyone was pushing sergio to blame it on the knee (even his own trainer) A big PPV fight? max himself was pushing martinez to blame it on the knee. his trainer, everyone. no one would have cared if sergio mentioned a hurt knee. (thats what everyone thought anyway) but he didn't because it wasn't true. it was cottos early attack which took martinez out of the fight.........

No one would have cared? I'd be pretty pissed if I paid for that fight. It was a farce from the first bell because it was a man against a near cripple

[Godsfly]

Martinez's fighting style is pure movement. Its very obvious he has no knees left and therefore will get caught with everything you through at him. In his best times he would put his hands down, expose his face and get out of the way as brtual hooks flew inches away from his head. It was great to see him in his prime and that's why a lot of us that have been following boxing for some time appreciate the guy. But he clealry cant do that any more. So yes, no knees, no Maravilla.

who would he put his hands down against? pavlik (who's slow as all hell) chavez jr? (who's also slow & lacks any kind of athleticism to keep up with martinez?) first of all martinez made a lot of fundamental mistakes. you can't put your hands down and fight like that against cotto. (regardless of who you are) cotto has a good jab and brilliant timing. (if guys like macklin timed martinez with his hands low you can be sure that cotto will have a field day) cotto simply timed him, didn't follow him, & picked his punches smartly. which is what has always given martinez fits.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

who would he put his hands down against? pavlik (who's slow as all hell) chavez jr? (who's also slow & lacks any kind of athleticism to keep up with martinez?) first of all martinez made a lot of fundamental mistakes. you can't put your hands down and fight like that against cotto. (regardless of who you are) cotto has a good jab and brilliant timing. (if guys like macklin timed martinez with his hands low you can be sure that cotto will have a field day) cotto simply timed him, didn't follow him, & picked his punches smartly. which is what has always given martinez fits.

Good post...

I thought serg's main downfall was that he couldnt avoid the left hook to the head or body.. His stance with his hands low is not suited to defend the cotto left hook...
Even a prime serg would have trouble defending the cotto left hook..

There is a reason why coaches train fighters to keep their hands up

[Guest]

This post is gold!!! hahahaha

Considering how bad his knee injuries were it could be true.

He fought Murray on bad knees, no reason to think he wouldn't do the same for a more lucrative fight.

I was on crutches for a long time. Until December, I was walking on crutches. I was struggling. I used crutches since my surgery on October 31 until December 18. During all that time I was unable to lean on my right leg at all.”

I had a partially torn meniscus. I had a breakage in the femoral capsule, right behind the knee. I had a post-operation infection right before the [Martin] Murray fight. I had partially broken cartilage, where the cartilage became like a small saw on my tibia. I had an injury in my ligaments as well, a distension of the ligaments. I also had chondromalacia patellae, which is the injury that occurs beneath the kneecap. That’s why they couldn’t find an integral solution, because there were many injuries together. And recovering from that, being 39 years of age, was difficult. But thanks to the doctors I am fine.”


Kind of hard to believe he truly "recovered" from all of that.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Good post...

I thought serg's main downfall was that he couldnt avoid the left hook to the head or body.. His stance with his hands low is not suited to defend the cotto left hook...
Even a prime serg would have trouble defending the cotto left hook..

There is a reason why coaches train fighters to keep their hands up

Maybe he'd have been able to avoid it if he could actually move properly or bend his right knee to dip and duck out the way.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Maybe he'd have been able to avoid it if he could actually move properly or bend his right knee to dip and duck out the way.

Thats a cop out....

Serg was never a good defender...

Margs ran up on him
Williams dropped him and always was able to tag him
Macklin tagged him
murray tagged him and dropped him
chavez had his moments.
Pavlik dropped him and tagged him...


Serg has never been a good defender if his opponents let their hands go

Cotto would be able to land on serg, no matter what version of serg it was

[Public_Enemy]

Cotto fought superbly. His left hook was amazing. Sergio couldn't avoid it at all last night. I was really impressed with Cotto's body punching. That really troubled Martinez. Cotto also cut the ring off well and forced exchanges as usual. The jab was excellent. Cotto was a beast last night. It is also accurate to say that Cotto would have always troubled Martinez.

With that being said, it's time for Sergio to retire. He wasn't competitive at all.

[Godsfly]

What's the point you're trying to make?
Here's how I'm reading the argument:

1)Martinez made excuses against Murray
2)Therefore he will always make excuses when they're available

Can you see how 2 doesn't logically follow from 1?
The Murray fight was supposed to be Martinez' homecoming, in front of 40k partisan rain soaked Argentinians. He felt he'd let them down, so he made excuses.

It was a completely different context Vs Cotto. The crowd were booing him before he even received the Mic. Knees or not, he probably felt he'd beat a jumped up WW anyway. Admitting being unfit going into the fight wouldn't be received favourably by most- it was his fault for accepting the bout.
As it is, his trainer said what needed to be said anyway, and got booed for it instead.

"Here's how I'm reading the argument:"



well read my argument like this.

martinez has admitted when he's injured himself in a fight against other guys...........(FACT) it had nothing to do with being in a crowd of 40k Argentinian fans (he admitted it only because it was true) any other added speculation of "passionate Argentinian fans. he won thats why he made the excuse. well he felt he let them down thats why he did it" is speculation and excuses of your own. the fact remains is that sergio has admitted when he's hurt himself in previous bouts. so why not against cotto? (because they booed him before the fight?) bull****. everyone including his trainer were pushing the bad knees on martinez so it wouldn't have meant ****. 80% of boxing fans were pushing the bad knees on martinez so it would have meant even less for the fans. it wouldn't have taken away anything for martinez to specify any knee pain (because everyone was thinking that anyway) martinez kept it honest though "the fact of the matter is, it was the first round in which i was hurt and could never recover from that attack" period point blank.............now all of the other conspiracy theories "well he was booed so thats why he didn't mention his knees" thats speculation that comes from you & completely meaningless to me.