martinez: "it was a punch and not the knee"

[Godsfly]

martinez won the fight against murray (if you believe he didn't i won't argue that, it was close i'm talking about the oficial result) no excuses, he was telling the truth, he was ****ed up there, and here he was giving cotto some props. now what about the plaster? that was no excuse??

here he was giving cotto props and said that it wasn't the knee it was a punch that ****ed him up in the first round. (thats the point) but with murray he had no issues with telling how badly he hurt his hand..........

you just proved my point and you don't even realize it.

[billeau2]

There is not one fact here that made this fight inevitable....so people need to stop pasting their own agenda on the outcome of this...there are some facts that definitely stand out:

a) A lot of us have felt Martinez has been over rated for years. He only really beat one guy convincingly who might be determined an elite fighter...that would be Paul Williams. Junior is ****...because he does not even train properly, and Pavlik, while a decent win was not a decisive victory for Martinez, nor was Kelly at his best.

b) Cotto has been chronically underated. The guy is has fought well against elite comp. He has always had more ring smarts that people credit him with. The fact is that he has fought better comp than Martinez.

c) martinez had problems with the leg...ok, but Cotto did something very well last night: He used his experience and shut down Martinez. Instead of chasing Martinez around he kept the fight in the middle of the ring and used angles to make Martinez accesible. martinez's unorthodox movement always depended on his ability to jump in at his opponent but its hard to do that when your in the middle of the ring. Also Cotto timed Martinez instead of chasing him.

Face it folks Cotto is actually better than a lot of people think

[Dirk Diggler UK]

wait a minute..........so if I tell you that my left arm is hurting. you could look at it & say "no, it's not your left arm it's something else. i think the pain is coming from your back. yea, just by looking at it it's from your back" even when i tell you with my own words where the pain is actually coming from?

WTF

How is that horrific example in any way relevant?? If your back was as stiff as a board in the way Sergio's leg was, then I'd be able to tell from just looking.

Martinez didn't say his knees weren't troubling him. All he said was that he didn't want to make any excuses. It was a big PPV fight on HBO, he's not going to tell everyone that he was at probably less than 20% in there. We can all see his legs were shot - I assume the extent of the story will come out eventually. You can stay in denial if you want though.

[Spray_resistant]

Lol, so many excuses. You all knew about the surgeries yet still ragged on about how Cotto was going to destroyed. Now Marinez is a shot gimp, is it just that hard to admit that Cotto is the better man.

Well we have no way of knowing and never will as we had no chance of getting a credible version of Sergio to fight him, its not Cotto's fault he did his job but obviously Sergio had seen much better days.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

how the hell would anyone know the condition of his knee within 10 seconds? (thats ridiculous) your excuse is that you saw him "dragging his foot" hummmmmmm i don't know if you've noticed but martinez has always had horrible goofy balance so that proves jack all.

I'm only telling you what I said. He usually moves so much more fluidly than he did last night.....from the first bell. He usually dips and drops but he couldn't even bend his knee. There was nothing on his punches because he couldn't spring.

Denial.

[Godsfly]

Not Butthurt. That would be you every time Cotto loses.


I guess the announcers were wrong too about his knee looking bad.

They were rooting for Cotto and saying it.

I don't think it is at all Cotto's fault at all for this and I give him full credit for winning.

But any perceived slight against Cotto and you spit his male organ out of your mouth and rabidly come to his defense.

who gives a **** about the announcers. we are going by what martinez himself said. screw the announcers. the announcers know just as much as our "boxingscene doctors & psycho annalist"

[_original_]

Right, kinda like how your avi reveals more about you and your "opinions" than you will ever admit. Registered hater 101. I know the team you belong to bro. Been watching your team for years now. Nothing but petty envious hate all day. I bet you never recovered from that hook Tito caught Steroids Vargas with in round one either huh? Let it go.

Just because I'm Mexican doesn't mean I won't give Cotto his props. On the contrary, he's been one of my favorite fighters since his 140 days and I even backed him against Margarito both times. Still, I'm not a blind Cotto fan to think he beat a healthy version of Martinez. It was a very opportunistic move that paid off but nothing more. Let's see if he can follow up and beat a MW in his prime such as Golovkin....

[Evil_Meat]

Gotta love the Cotto fanboys on this site obviously it's a great win but the reality is that Sergio clearly wasn't at 100% and who knows maybe Cotto could beat a 100% Sergio too but speculating about anything else doesn't mean **** because all we know is that Cotto beat the **** out of a less than 100% Sergio I mean who the **** can look at the Bunema fight or PWill fights and tell me that the same guy. I'm not going to say the Bunema Sergio would beat Cotto because I don't know and we can never see it but man the fanboys on this site are just hilarious.

[salitap4p#1]

I'm only telling you what I said. He usually moves so much more fluidly than he did last night.....from the first bell. He usually dips and drops but he couldn't even bend his knee. There was nothing on his punches because he couldn't spring.

Denial.

I have to agree.

He also failed to follow through with his lead left the entire fight (obviously because of the pressure it would place on his right knee).

If it wasn't his knee that was in trouble, and he knew he needed to hurt/KO Cotto at some point, why didn't he follow through? At least just once?

[mathed]

We know Sergio wasn't going to make any excuses.

We also all know his knees were ***ed.

I had full trust in what they were saying about his knees being 100% but it was clear that he had no stability in them at all last night. He was falling all over the place, sometimes a punch didn't even land. The knees looked no better than in the Murray fight.