Top 15 Welterweights of the 21st Century

[daggum]

ortiz #2 welterweight! it must be a good win!

[Nay_Sayer]

That list is beyond senseless. Anyone who would rate Pacquiao ahead of Mayweather @ 147lbs is obviously mentally ******ed...

[Nay_Sayer]

Pacquiao's last 5 opponents at welterweight have a combined total of 5 wins at welterweight.

If this turns out to be true then....


LOL

[Nay_Sayer]

This is my list based off resume, accomplishments, and effectiveness in their prime, head to head effectiveness, etc

1)'mayweather....all wins at the weight over former, current or future champs and titlist
2) mosley....outside of losses to forrest twice in his prime at the weight, the rest were past prime losses(cotto, pacquaio, mayweather) has the best single win over odlh in his prime , a few defenses won lineal title. Wins over collazo, margarito and last win over fringe contender cano
3) pacquaio...good run affected by circumstances...either opponents a fight or two removed from being dominated like cotto and mosley, a zombie last.fight dlh affects the importance of the wins....clottey was a good win,marquez was a toss up but he did get ktfo by him too, bradley a good win
4)vernon forrest
5)cotto
6)margarito
7)paul williams
8)cory spinks
9)mayorga
10)judah
11)clottey
12) quintana
13)porter
14)hatton
15)berto

I'd put Forrest ahead of Pacquiao. Say what you will BUT he beat a PRIME Shane Mosley *twice*. Those two wins **** all over Pacquiao's whole tenure @ welter.

I'd put Mayorga ahead of Cotto. Ricardo has the the two wins over Vernon. what in the hell has Cotto ever done?

[J The UnBiased]

In terms of pure resume at welter, no other divisions, not head 2 head, just resume

1 Floyd- zab, baldomir, Shane hatton, Ortiz, ghost, jmm

2 Shane- biggest win on list with oscar, margs,

3 Forrest - 2nd best wins on list with the Shane

4- manny- cotto, oscar, Bradley, clottey, Shane

5- margs- cotto, cintron twice, clottey

6- cotto- zab, Shane, Quintana, clottey, Gomez

7 mayorga two wins over Forrest, six heads

8 Bradley- manny, jmm, abregu, ruslan

9 spinks- mayorga, Judah, piccarlo

10-Williams- margs, Quintana

11- baldomir- clottey, Judah, gatti

12- Judah - spinks

13 jmm - ko'd manny, beat up Alvarado

14 Maidana- broner, soto karass, Lopez

15- Porter- Devon, Pauli, Diaz

the best list, 3 & 4 can switch or stay but this is spot on

[Nay_Sayer]

Floyd ain't the lineal champ at welter

He beat Mosley when Pacquiao was ranked the best welterweight in the world.

Try not to forget the facts.

Lol.

Exactly WHO ranked Pacquiao the best welter in the world and, more importantly, WHY?

[Nay_Sayer]

Almost every other credible source had Mosley as #1. Now I've corrected the post. I already corrected and noted Manny was #1 in the ring rankings. I also noted that while cliff does have floyd as lineal some don't-the transitional boxing board doesn't have him as lineal.

I will agree with cliff on this. If you have any other questions or concerns about wheteher floyd is lineal or not please address them with cliff.

The Transnational Boxing rankings system was created by people who can't differentiate dog **** from shoe shine polish. Feel free to ignore them....

[Nay_Sayer]

I can't rate Floyd higher and i'm not sure how guys can, Manny has stand out wins over the two stand out welters in his era near or in their primes in Cotto and Bradley.

Lol.

Cotto's best win @ 147 is the UD he got over Shane in a fight that could have gone either way. Manny beat him only *after* he got sonned badly by Antonio Margarito. Tim's best win @ welter came over a 39 y/o guy who fought @ 126 not all that long ago. Cotto and Bradley are NOT stand out welters.

[soul_survivor]

This thread just shows how little people know about boxing....all most seem to do is talk about Pacman and ***** Boy, yet little talk on the other fighters with a few thinking Forrest deserves to be top 3...forgetting his losses at the weight and how brief his time at the top was.

[Nay_Sayer]

Antonio Margarito should be above Shane Mosley and Miguel Cotto and especially Zab Judah based on accomplishments AT THE WEIGHT.

Hell even Mayweather too.

Exactly what did Margarito do to be ahead of Shane? Lose head to head and lose to Paul Williams?