Top 15 Welterweights of the 21st Century

[RetroSpeed05]

Nah u did it because you wanna talk around his skillset. I specifically said 2013 Mayweather. then you referred to what he did in 2014.

At the lower weights he used to move around the ring and use in and out movement a bit.

But at 147 and highers its a completely different fighter and although not as much of a combination puncher, a much more discipline complete package. Picking shots better, bigger, stronger, stockier build. Stands in a wide stance, right in front of you, and does magic. He wasnt doing that at the lower weights. Two different fighters and Im impressed by both for different reasons. 147 Mayweather is not worse than the one at lower weights at all. Just brings something different to the table as far as maturity.

I like both, but at the lower weights he reminds me of a better version of Pernell.

At the higher weights this is a customized fighter who is similar to no one. And dont say James Toney. James uses that shoulder roll but he aint no Mayweather.

I agree with you on certain points. All im saying is if you wanna call his skill the best ever fine, just say he's the best skilled fighter you ever saw but to be the best ever boxer in history there's more that goes into it, like resume and skill combined.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

No, it wasn't. In fact Sergio was the one going in supposedly the one moving up and Margarito was the stepping stone.

Both were green and Sergio was undefeated while Margarito suffered several defeats already.

But once again,, who did serg beat at welter, how long was his title defenses..

Serg doesn't have a good welter resume.. Sure he may have fought there for awhile, but it's like Chavez or canelo when they fought at 140-147..

I still ranks margs pretty high, but the serg win as little significance in terms of just welter...
If looking at total overall careers, then yeah it's a great win in hindsight..

[Mr.Fantastic]

But once again,, who did serg beat at welter, how long was his title defenses..

Serg doesn't have a good welter resume.. Sure he may have fought there for awhile, but it's like Chavez or canelo when they fought at 140-147..

I still ranks margs pretty high, but the serg win as little significance in terms of just welter...
If looking at total overall careers, then yeah it's a great win in hindsight..

0 JUST LIKE MARGARITO.

Margarito didn't have a good one either till afterwards when regarding to resume.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

But if you are placing so much stock in big wins, and particular Forrest's two big wins over Mosley, then why does Mayorga's wins over Forrest not carry as much value, or indeed more, than Forrest's?

Neither Mayorga nor Forrest did a great deal at welterweight outside their two notable wins. Mayorga's win over Lewis might be better than any of Forrest's other welterweight wins.

Surely Forrest was considered a pound for pound guy almost solely off the back of defeating Mosley twice as Mosley was considered by the Ring as the p4p #1. Those two wins elevated Forrest to p4p #4 but when Mayorga defeated Forrest twice it never elevated Mayorga into the top 10 p4p. In hindsight I think it is clear that Mosley was slightly overrated at the time.

Pacquiao has wins over Marquez and Bradley, and I think it is correct to consider him to have had two wins over Bradley. Cotto was at a catchweight but does that matter a great deal? He also battered him up pretty bad. Plus he has Clottey, Mosley, Rios and De La Hoya, you could of course question just how good any of those four wins really are but taken as a whole then even with an unfavourable outlook on them it still represents a fairly solid group of wins to be added to the more substantial wins over Bradley, Cotto and Marquez. Pacquiao also only really has one loss at welterweight whereas Forrest has two. I think it is very clear that Pacquiao ranks higher than Forrest and that the question is whether he ranks higher than Mayweather.

It's just a skills and resume thing..

2 wins over Shane is about equal to 2 wins over Forrest
But Forrest had many defenses of his belt before Shane, while mayorga burst onto the scene but didn't even last 2 years at the top..
I just feel Forrest has more depth, and was rated higher p4p so I give him the edge..

[MurkaMan]

Simply pointing out the facts, my man. Floyd is of the belief that fighters who request catchweights are essentially trying to cheat and that such wins/losses shouldn't really be counted.

Your not pointing out facts LOL. Your using folklore to make excuses for why Floyd is too good. You made a list on how Mosley was too old, Ortiz is too young, Ghost wasnt old or young so we just called him a plodder? LOL

Your one of these guys that wants to make excuses for why Floyd makes guys look foolish.

Enough of the games go back to me comment and reply to the things you ignored.

[MurkaMan]

I agree with you on certain points. All im saying is if you wanna call his skill the best ever fine, just say he's the best skilled fighter you ever saw but to be the best ever boxer in history there's more that goes into it, like resume and skill combined.

No I never said he had the best resume. Your confusing yourself because you, again, are trying to talk around the fact that he is the best fighter skillwise that YOU have ever seen.

I will say this again; People like you took the word 'best' and gave it a philosophical meaning(how can you be the best if you dont do this or do that) to steal the title a way from Floyd. Their is no question that he the most complete fighter in history.

I asked you a question. Name a fighter who can fight his opponents and change their whole fighting style and dominate them all without being hissed? Name ONE fighter that is better than Floyd and can do what he did to the people that he FOUGHT.

Their is no way to talk around his skillset when your debating with me. Im not going out of my way to act like its just not there. Im not going out of my way to act like everyone he fights is a bum or none of that fake mess you all do.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

0 JUST LIKE MARGARITO.

Margarito didn't have a good one either till afterwards when regarding to resume.

Exactly right, so I don't see how that's a big resume fight, much like how when Bradley and canelo beat Vasquez years ago.. Looks good now, but isn't the fight that resumes are built upon

[Humean]

It's just a skills and resume thing..

2 wins over Shane is about equal to 2 wins over Forrest
But Forrest had many defenses of his belt before Shane, while mayorga burst onto the scene but didn't even last 2 years at the top..
I just feel Forrest has more depth, and was rated higher p4p so I give him the edge..

Forrest had only two (Raul Frank x 2) IBF title fights before Mosley, Mayorga had one (Lewis) WBA title fight before Forrest.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Forrest had only two (Raul Frank x 2) IBF title fights before Mosley, Mayorga had one (Lewis) WBA title fight before Forrest.

I guess I'm using more of Forrest 90s welter wins when I say he has more depth,which in this thread is pointless..

I just feel Forrest was the more accomplished of the 2 so I rank him higher

[Mr.Fantastic]

Exactly right, so I don't see how that's a big resume fight, much like how when Bradley and canelo beat Vasquez years ago.. Looks good now, but isn't the fight that resumes are built upon

When a guy that is unbeaten up and comer fights a guy that is 20-3, what do they think in this generation of society? Watch the fight in Spanish with a translator, Margarito was suppose to lose at that moment.