Top 15 Welterweights of the 21st Century

[Nay_Sayer]

In terms of pure resume at welter, no other divisions, not head 2 head, just resume

1 Floyd- zab, baldomir, Shane hatton, Ortiz, ghost, jmm

2 Shane- biggest win on list with oscar, margs,

3 Forrest - 2nd best wins on list with the Shane

4- manny- cotto, oscar, Bradley, clottey, Shane

5- margs- cotto, cintron twice, clottey

6- cotto- zab, Shane, Quintana, clottey, Gomez

7 mayorga two wins over Forrest, six heads

8 Bradley- manny, jmm, abregu, ruslan

9 spinks- mayorga, Judah, piccarlo

10-Williams- margs, Quintana

11- baldomir- clottey, Judah, gatti

12- Judah - spinks

13 jmm - ko'd manny, beat up Alvarado

14 Maidana- broner, soto karass, Lopez

15- Porter- Devon, Pauli, Diaz

Good list but I would switch 6 and 7.

[Nay_Sayer]

soul_survivor - Surely Judah is far too high and can't be ahead of Margarito?

Sugar Adam Ali - Forrest's two wins over Mosley are certainly amongst the very best wins this century at Welterweight but he also lost twice to Mayorga, now does that make Mayorga's wins over Forrest more impressive than Forrest's wins over Mosley? Whatever the evaluation surely Pacquiao is ahead of Forrest.

No. Forrest beat better opposition @ the weight. Period. This isn't even up for debate.

[J The UnBiased]

Judah (Coming off lost to Baldomir)
Baldomir (Worst Welterweight champ in the past 30 years)
Hatton (exposed at 147 by collazo)
Marquez (Never fought at 147, moved up two weight classes and floyd still weight cheated him)
Mosley (40 years old and shot)
Ortiz (sucker punch win, not a real win)
Guerrero (King of interim belts, joke fight)
Maidana (This is really mayweathers best win at 147, and he looked like **** during it)

Clottey (king of paper belts, joke fight)
De La Hoya (drained, past prime, hadn't fought at welter in almost a decade)
Cotto (drained, 2 fights removed from a KO and getting a gift over clottey for a paper belt)
Shane (lmfaoooooooooooooooooooo)
Marquez (unranked at welter)
Bradley (jr. welter, lost the fight)
Marquez (KTFO)
Rios (ahahahahahhahahahahahaha)
Bradley (good win)

see how easy that is? lol

[Nay_Sayer]

You're telling me that Timothy Bradley is currently NOT the 3rd best welter on the planet?

So when has Pacquiao beaten the #1 welter in the world?

Shane has done it on @ least two separate occasions.

[soul_survivor]

No. Forrest beat better opposition @ the weight. Period. This isn't even up for debate.

LOL he also got thrashed by a c level sligger....twice

Clottey (king of paper belts, joke fight)
De La Hoya (drained, past prime, hadn't fought at welter in almost a decade)
Cotto (drained, 2 fights removed from a KO and getting a gift over clottey for a paper belt)
Shane (lmfaoooooooooooooooooooo)
Marquez (unranked at welter)
Bradley (jr. welter, lost the fight)
Marquez (KTFO)
Rios (ahahahahahhahahahahahaha)
Bradley (good win)

see how easy that is? lol

but you have to look at in the context of the particular time the fight happened. Pac was an underdog in the DLH fight and many boxing "experts" were calling the fight a farce, Oscar is too big etc.

Cotto is one of the top 3 welters of his generation not including Floyd and Manny himself. He had only one loss at the time too.

The Mosley fight was crap.

Marquez is Pacs greatest rival so no problem with a fight there.

Bradley is currently the 3rd best welter on the planet...better than Floyd's combined wins of Guerreo/Madiana/Ortiz.

Rios was nothing more than a tune up and an exhibition in Asian.

Clottey was a terrific fighter who only had losses to the best, a top 5 welter at the time, well respected and ultimately the fight happened after yet another round of failed negotiations with Floyd, as did the Mosley fight.

In each occasion, Pacquiao has taken on the best available opponent.

let's turn the table:

Maidana was not the best available opponent, any of Alexander, Khan, Porter or Thurman would have been preferred at the time, people were ****ting on this fight before Maidana made it competitive.

Guerrero...ok LOL

Ortiz was a farce from start to finish.

Mosley was somewhat understandable, Hatton was ok....JMM is inexcusable because Floyd said he was coming out of retirement to fight JMM cos JMM had called him out. When Floyd was asked why he didnt respond Cotto and Margy who had also called him out, Floyd said both men has losses on their resumes, check the interview, its with Kenny, probably on YouTube.

In fact, when he was asked about Mosley, he said, "I don't fight guys with 5 losses". So it's not just who Floyd hasn't fought but also his excuses for those fights or those fights at the best possible time.

That is all.

[J The UnBiased]

LOL he also got thrashed by a c level sligger....twice



but you have to look at in the context of the particular time the fight happened. Pac was an underdog in the DLH fight and many boxing "experts" were calling the fight a farce, Oscar is too big etc.

Cotto is one of the top 3 welters of his generation not including Floyd and Manny himself. He had only one loss at the time too.

The Mosley fight was crap.

Marquez is Pacs greatest rival so no problem with a fight there.

Bradley is currently the 3rd best welter on the planet...better than Floyd's combined wins of Guerreo/Madiana/Ortiz.

Rios was nothing more than a tune up and an exhibition in Asian.

Clottey was a terrific fighter who only had losses to the best, a top 5 welter at the time, well respected and ultimately the fight happened after yet another round of failed negotiations with Floyd, as did the Mosley fight.

In each occasion, Pacquiao has taken on the best available opponent.

let's turn the table:

Maidana was not the best available opponent, any of Alexander, Khan, Porter or Thurman would have been preferred at the time, people were ****ting on this fight before Maidana made it competitive.

Guerrero...ok LOL

Ortiz was a farce from start to finish.

Mosley was somewhat understandable, Hatton was ok....JMM is inexcusable because Floyd said he was coming out of retirement to fight JMM cos JMM had called him out. When Floyd was asked why he didnt respond Cotto and Margy who had also called him out, Floyd said both men has losses on their resumes, check the interview, its with Kenny, probably on YouTube.

In fact, when he was asked about Mosley, he said, "I don't fight guys with 5 losses". So it's not just who Floyd hasn't fought but also his excuses for those fights or those fights at the best possible time.

That is all.

i'm not reading your novel bro, my point is that anybody can nit pick anyone's resume if you're one of those dumbass NSB trolls, Floyd has a better run at Welter than Manny has, we differ in opinion, that's fine, but it's nothing you can say that's going to change what either of them have done at 147 and Floyd has done more and better work there.

[Xi_]

everyone has an a opinion but to say that pac has the best ww resume in the last 15 yrs is a **** opinion. losses count and ko losses count even more.

[MurkaMan]

This is crazy usually im defending Floyd from idiots who just want to **** on his accolades, but with you it seems to be the reverse, like im just hating on him or just trying to take something away from him which is not the case.

The greatest and best term i'll explain. Someone could be the best at defense or offense someone could be the best skilled or best hitter of all time or best all round fighter of all time there's a difference to being the greatest in terms of legacy of who you fought.

Floyd could beat a lot of ATG fighters from the past and in fact he might be better skill wise then them, but for legacy wise there still better because they fought other ATG fighters.

I'm only saying "speculating" because you make things that are speculation fact. Do you have a video i could see of SRL vs Canelo? or a time machine to bring SRL back so he could fight Canelo? No, so stop with this notion of Floyd the best skilled at everything. Floyd does not have better footwork or speed then SRL. And yes i would like to see how Canelo would gas out when SRL starts running around the ring. Canelo is also smaller than SRL he'll dance around him.

Floyd has high IQ which i respect, which Floyd admits himself most guys he beats he doesn't beat a opponent with speed and power he out thinks a guy.

I dont think your a Floyd hater but your probably one of these guys who are biased for past ATG's which works against guys of the present era.

As far as greatest, and best I think I made all of that clear. Yea Floyd is the best fighter in history which is not debatable. I also broke down how each of them have their own legacies. Sure other fighters have fought better opponents but how can they be the best when they suck skillwise in comparison to Floyd?

And I dont need a time machine. Its blatantly obvious that SRL is not the most skilled fighter. He is NOT going to walk down Canelo without getting hissed. He's not going to walk down ANYone without getting hissed. In fact, no fighter in HISTORY can walk down Canelo without getting hissed, except Floyd. It is no speculation, these are obvious facts.

You say Floyd dont have better footwork and speed than SRL? Yea SRL had to run around the ring to avoid shots. Floyd will stand in front of you and do magic tricks. Simple facts like those tell us he wont be able to walk down no damn Canelo without getting hit LOL.

You say he has better speed? Floyd's speed is different in every fight. Im not one of these guys that compares his speed to his opponent's seed either. He just constantly evolves from fight to fight. Against JMM he was blazingly fast but had no power. Against Shane he was slightly slower, but more instinctive, fought like Bruce Lee, and had enough pop to get Shane's respect.

Against Ortiz he was slow and telegraphed his shots. Same with Ghost. He beat Ghost with timing and I actually think Ghost's speed was at times comparable to Floyd's.

Against Nelo he was faster than when he fought Ghost, but slightly slower than when he fought JMM, but had enough power for Canelo.

SRL is always going to be SRL. He's not going to fight a guy who is faster than him, and come in the ring surprisingly faster than his opponent.

Floyd will come into a fight with more speed, power, whatever it takes to win. He will somehow find in training, which could be due to roids. Im not biased, Im real.

As far as Nelo being smaller than SRL, I dunno about that. To me, SRL looks like a tall skinny man. Canelo looks like a Jumbo Giant in the ring.

[MurkaMan]

My man, there is nothing "folklore" about Floyd's own logic. These words came out of his own mouth and as a guy who's been dominating the sport of boxing for seventeen to eighteen years, I don't think either you or myself should attempt to question his logic.


Listen, I'm a huge fan of Floyd, but he was fighting a dead man walking against Canelo. He could have made it at a weight where Canelo was most comfortable, where there wouldn't have been any excuses, but he didn't.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I dont care about what Floyd says when he's trash talking his critics, "I fight for Money, not legacy"

You; "See Floyd admitted it"


Canelo wasnt no damn dead man LOL Name a fighter in history that can fight that version of Canelo and walk him down without being hissed by a single shot?

And go back and respond to the things you keep ignoring. Im tired of it bro lol

[soul_survivor]

i'm not reading your novel bro, my point is that anybody can nit pick anyone's resume if you're one of those dumbass NSB trolls, Floyd has a better run at Welter than Manny has, we differ in opinion, that's fine, but it's nothing you can say that's going to change what either of them have done at 147 and Floyd has done more and better work there.

but yours is opinion, mine is fact. Mnany has beaten Cotto, Bradley, Clottey at 147, they are all better than Floyd beating Guerrero, Maidana, Ortiz.

Mosley just for sake of argument, can be conceded as a decent win but who else is there? Baldomir? No. Judah? Certainly not better than Cotto.

Convince me Guerrero/Maidana/Ortiz are better and then we'll talk.