Top 15 Welterweights of the 21st Century

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Mayweather and Marquez should be in front of Pacquiao.

I can see Floyd.. But jmm not sure about,, really only has the manny ko, while manny has cotto, clottey, Bradley wins

I guess if your using h2h then yeah he is higher, but then Bradley beat jmm so he should be higher and then manny beat Bradley... It's just hard to rank based on single matchups.. Manny has more depth than jmm

[soul_survivor]

Tim is not a standout ww. Check his resume at ww.

You rank Mosley as the #3 ww in the era. Floyd beat him after the Margs fight, a fight most were calling for. Yes Mosley went through two camps and was off a long time-but that doesn't equate to shot.

You are entitled to your opinion, it would just be more even if you shined the same light you use to criticize Mosley on all of Manny's opponents.

Manny also got KO'd at ww by a guy floyd destroyed. Doesn't mean floyd will beat Manny, but it should be factored into the rankings.

Floyd ww fights-all wins

Marcos Maidana
Robert Guerrero
Victor Ortiz
Shane Mosley
Juan Manuel Márquez
Ricky Hatton.
Carlos Baldomir
Zab Judah
Sharmba Mitchell


Manny's fights at ww:

Timothy Bradley
Brandon Rios
Juan Manuel Márquez KO loss
Timothy Bradley SD Loss (IMO he won)
Juan Manuel Márquez
Shane Mosley
Joshua Clottey.
Miguel Cotto
Oscar De La Hoya

You're telling me that Timothy Bradley is currently NOT the 3rd best welter on the planet?

I have Mosley as no. 3 on my list for what he did almost a decade ago, since then he was on a steady decline with one last hurrah against Margarito. Most people knew that Mosley was shot going into the Floyd fight, Floyd was a huge favourite for that reason. The fight would have been competitive circa 2006-07.

And I do the same with Manny's resume, Mosley was shot then too but everything else we can't complain about, not even the Oscar fight which was known as a farce cos everyone said Manny was a sell out for money and would get battered in the ring. I've never seen fools change their opinions so fast post-fight.

Other than that, Manny has beaten a top 5 welter on 3/4 occasions depending on how you see JMM. As I have already mentioned, it is the right of any champion, in a lower division, which in this case was Manny after beating Hatton at 140, to move up and ask for a catch weight bout against a champion in the above division, in this case Cotto, at the very least a top 2 welter at the time. It was a 2lb catch weight at that, whereas Henry Armstrong got a 7lb catch weight some 70 years ago. What exactly is the problem?

Marquez - bloated, ill-prepared lightweight that was moving up two divisions and subsequently cheated on the scales.

Mosley - washed up, nearly 40 years of age and coming off of a 15 month layoff.

Guerrero - exceptionally average plodder.


And how much credit can you give Mayweather for beating a relatively unproven (albeit well marketed and popular) fighter that he had to impose a catchweight on? By Floyd's own logic, such a win shouldn't count.


When you think about it, the last five years of Mayweather's career have been even better choreographed than his epic battle with the Big Show at Wrestlemania.

Exactly....people think Mosley was some prime beast LOL

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Nice list, but I'd have Hatton in there, instead of Berto. Before losing to two of the best in his division (possibly p4p best in the world at the time also) he was a little brawler who forced respect out of his opponents.

Glad to see Paulie in there too, he's taken some punishment over the years for our entertainment and I'm happy to see he has a spot in someone other than my own list.

[soul_survivor]

Nice list, but I'd have Hatton in there, instead of Berto. Before losing to two of the best in his division (possibly p4p best in the world at the time also) he was a little brawler who forced respect out of his opponents.

Glad to see Paulie in there too, he's taken some punishment over the years for our entertainment and I'm happy to see he has a spot in someone other than my own list.

Hatton is 1-3 at 147 :/

[4Corners]

Mayweather's WW resume is better than Manny man.....

Manny has the edge slightly in overall resume, but not 147

Judah (Top 5 WW)
Baldomir (RING WW Champ)
Hatton (Top 10 P4P)
Marquez (#2 P4P, would go on to beat Pac at WW)
Mosley (#3 P4P, #1/2 WW)
Ortiz (#2 WW)
Guerrero (Top 5 WW)
Maidana (Top 10 WW)

Manny's only real legit WW wins were as follows.....

Cotto (#3 WW)
Clottey (Top 5 WW)
Bradley (Top 10 P4P/#2 WW)

Oscar, Mosley in 2011, Marquez 3, Rios, none of these were legit fights.

[Mr.Fantastic]

What are you talking about...

Was serg vs margs a big fight..... No

Was it early in their careers and had little bearing on their future.. Yes

Neither fighter did much after for at least five years..

I honestly don't even know what your trying to debate or what your point is..

Since green margs happen to beat green serg does that really make a difference on margs resume at welter...

And yet on that list you put some people on there that haven't done much at the welter nor big fight. You contradicting yourself.

[Ham Porter]

Your not pointing out facts LOL. Your using folklore to make excuses for why Floyd is too good. You made a list on how Mosley was too old, Ortiz is too young, Ghost wasnt old or young so we just called him a plodder? LOL

Your one of these guys that wants to make excuses for why Floyd makes guys look foolish.

Enough of the games go back to me comment and reply to the things you ignored.

My man, there is nothing "folklore" about Floyd's own logic. These words came out of his own mouth and as a guy who's been dominating the sport of boxing for seventeen to eighteen years, I don't think either you or myself should attempt to question his logic.


Listen, I'm a huge fan of Floyd, but he was fighting a dead man walking against Canelo. He could have made it at a weight where Canelo was most comfortable, where there wouldn't have been any excuses, but he didn't.

[bopbopbbe]

Mayweather's WW resume is better than Manny man.....

Manny has the edge slightly in overall resume, but not 147

Judah (Top 5 WW)
Baldomir (RING WW Champ)
Hatton (Top 10 P4P)
Marquez (#2 P4P, would go on to beat Pac at WW)
Mosley (#3 P4P, #1/2 WW)
Ortiz (#2 WW)
Guerrero (Top 5 WW)
Maidana (Top 10 WW)

Manny's only real legit WW wins were as follows.....

Cotto (#3 WW)
Clottey (Top 5 WW)
Bradley (Top 10 P4P/#2 WW)

Oscar, Mosley in 2011, Marquez 3, Rios, none of these were legit fights.

Judah (Coming off lost to Baldomir)
Baldomir (Worst Welterweight champ in the past 30 years)
Hatton (exposed at 147 by collazo)
Marquez (Never fought at 147, moved up two weight classes and floyd still weight cheated him)
Mosley (40 years old and shot)
Ortiz (sucker punch win, not a real win)
Guerrero (King of interim belts, joke fight)
Maidana (This is really mayweathers best win at 147, and he looked like **** during it)

[soul_survivor]

Judah (Coming off lost to Baldomir)
Baldomir (Worst Welterweight champ in the past 30 years)
Hatton (exposed at 147 by collazo)
Marquez (Never fought at 147, moved up two weight classes and floyd still weight cheated him)
Mosley (40 years old and shot)
Ortiz (sucker punch win, not a real win)
Guerrero (King of interim belts, joke fight)
Maidana (This is really mayweathers best win at 147, and he looked like **** during it)

You just buried him!

[daggum]

judah ahead of margarito.........judah is 1-6 against ranked welterweights. margarito beat 6 top 10 fighters and sergio martinez. i don't understand...