Top 15 Welterweights of the 21st Century

[B-Bomber]

Does Floyd hold any division advantage over Manny? Even @ 154? I mean I would take 2010 Margs to wipe the floor with 2013 Alvarez(or any version for that matter). As for Margarito vs Cotto, that's basically a mute point.

Margarito would have faced a worse fate than Angulo.

[Nay_Sayer]

LOL he also got thrashed by a c level sligger....twice.

At the very least, Mayorga was a top 5 welter.

Exactly how many fights @ welter did JMM win before sending Pacquiao to plank land?

[MurkaMan]

but yours is opinion, mine is fact. Mnany has beaten Cotto, Bradley, Clottey at 147, they are all better than Floyd beating Guerrero, Maidana, Ortiz.

Mosley just for sake of argument, can be conceded as a decent win but who else is there? Baldomir? No. Judah? Certainly not better than Cotto.

Convince me Guerrero/Maidana/Ortiz are better and then we'll talk.

Clottey? Ncka please. And Bradley is not even a ww. All of Floyd's opponents fought their way to becoming the top 3. Bradley didnt do anything. Bradley and Cotto are two opponents that Pac faced that I give credit for. And the asterisk is their for Bradley but Pac's ww resume is so unimpressive that I will let him have Bradley.

Ortiz was 164lbs, southpaw, TEN yrs younger than Floyd. Pac STILL hasnt faced anyone like that. If Pac faces a young guy it will be someone like Rios or Bradley who may have skills but no power to present danger. Ortiz was the # 2 ww when Floyd fought him. Southpaw volume puncher and when he beat Berto Lampley said, "No one will fight Ortiz"

When Floyd chose him Lampley said, "Floyd is only fighting him because he doesnt throw an jabs." Bradley may have skills, but Ortiz at that time presented OBVIOUSLY way more danger.

Marcos is also in his prime, strong, 8 yrs younger, and came in the ring 18lbs heavier than Floyd. Him coming off the Broner fight is OBVIOUSLY more dangerous than Bradley coming off a win over Casamayor. Bradley will NEVER be more dangerous than Ghost, Ortiz, Marcos.

Clottey was ALWAYS a bum and Pac fought him coming off a loss to Cotto. At that time Pac should have fought Mosley. So that kills everything you were talking. Floyd fought Mosley instead. Pac fought him at a time the fight shouldnt have happened. You forgot to add Mosley to Pac's resume. You focused your attention on Bradley and Cotto because those are his only good opponents and you slickly tried to throw Clottey in the mix.

Now Ghost is Floyd's most awkward opponent. I have talked about this fight so many times its not even funny. Tail of the tape and boxrec list Ghost as a short dude but he is actually the tallest, biggest ww.

People who dont know boxing compare him to Ortiz. Ortiz is a tactical brawler boxer who bounces on his toes before he comes in(He is NOT a pressure fighter)

Ghost is a tall, tactical, SOUTHPAW, pressure swarmer. Swarmer(his punches are VERY close together which makes his volume punching dangerous) He has the punching style of Hatton almost.

Hatton is a short orthodox fighter. Ghost is a big, durable, southpaw who can make adjustments on the fly. Floyd changed his WHOLE STYLE to beat Ghost. That is one of Floyd's most boring fights, but its his most impressive imo because I didnt know that at 36 Floyd was smart enough to know how to neutralize a style that awkward. I thought the same thing that you thought; That Floyd was going to be shoulder rolling like Berto.

But if he had done that he would have lost. Thats why I predicted him to lose that fight. Floyd was fighting like he did against Genero Hernandez with a few other tricks he added.

Ghost is a very smart fighter and very awkward style. Its no way Bradley's little bitty azz has the power to keep a big guy like that off him and its not just Ghost size that will dominate Bradley. Its his size combined with his long swarming punches. Reaching across the ring while someone like Bradley would be too small to even get close without running into a volume of shots.

You dont know boxing at all.

[Showtime..]

Clottey? Ncka please. And Bradley is not even a ww. All of Floyd's opponents fought their way to becoming the top 3. Bradley didnt do anything. Bradley and Cotto are two opponents that Pac faced that I give credit for. And the asterisk is their for Bradley but Pac's ww resume is so unimpressive that I will let him have Bradley.

Ortiz was 164lbs, southpaw, TEN yrs younger than Floyd. Pac STILL hasnt faced anyone like that. If Pac faces a young guy it will be someone like Rios or Bradley who may have skills but no power to present danger. Ortiz was the # 2 ww when Floyd fought him. Southpaw volume puncher and when he beat Berto Lampley said, "No one will fight Ortiz"

When Floyd chose him Lampley said, "Floyd is only fighting him because he doesnt throw an jabs." Bradley may have skills, but Ortiz at that time presented OBVIOUSLY way more danger.

Marcos is also in his prime, strong, 8 yrs younger, and came in the ring 18lbs heavier than Floyd. Him coming off the Broner fight is OBVIOUSLY more dangerous than Bradley coming off a win over Casamayor. Bradley will NEVER be more dangerous than Ghost, Ortiz, Marcos.

Clottey was ALWAYS a bum and Pac fought him coming off a loss to Cotto. At that time Pac should have fought Mosley. So that kills everything you were talking. Floyd fought Mosley instead. Pac fought him at a time the fight shouldnt have happened. You forgot to add Mosley to Pac's resume. You focused your attention on Bradley and Cotto because those are his only good opponents and you slickly tried to throw Clottey in the mix.

Now Ghost is Floyd's most awkward opponent. I have talked about this fight so many times its not even funny. Tail of the tape and boxrec list Ghost as a short dude but he is actually the tallest, biggest ww.

People who dont know boxing compare him to Ortiz. Ortiz is a tactical brawler boxer who bounces on his toes before he comes in(He is NOT a pressure fighter)

Ghost is a tall, tactical, SOUTHPAW, pressure swarmer. Swarmer(his punches are VERY close together which makes his volume punching dangerous) He has the punching style of Hatton almost.

Hatton is a short orthodox fighter. Ghost is a big, durable, southpaw who can make adjustments on the fly. Floyd changed his WHOLE STYLE to beat Ghost. That is one of Floyd's most boring fights, but its his most impressive imo because I didnt know that at 36 Floyd was smart enough to know how to neutralize a style that awkward. I thought the same thing that you thought; That Floyd was going to be shoulder rolling like Berto.

But if he had done that he would have lost. Thats why I predicted him to lose that fight. Floyd was fighting like he did against Genero Hernandez with a few other tricks he added.

Ghost is a very smart fighter and very awkward style. Its no way Bradley's little bitty azz has the power to keep a big guy like that off him and its not just Ghost size that will dominate Bradley. Its his size combined with his long swarming punches. Reaching across the ring while someone like Bradley would be too small to even get close without running into a volume of shots.

You dont know boxing at all.

I would pick Clottey over Guerrero, Ortiz, Maidana, and Judah EASY.

[Showtime..]

Margarito would have faced a worse fate than Angulo.

Does Angulo have an ATG chin like Margarito or a constant stream of pressure? Doubt it.
You're a delusional Canelo nut-hugger. Imagine if Margarito from 2008 fought him. Canelo would be out in under 6 rounds. Margarito would destroy him like he did Cotto.

[Humean]

Never do a list that involves Pacquiao and Mayweather, people lose their minds.

[soul_survivor]

I would pick Clottey over Guerrero, Ortiz, Maidana, and Judah EASY.

when a man starts making a case for Ortiz...you know it is no longer worth it

[MurkaMan]

I would pick Clottey over Guerrero, Ortiz, Maidana, and Judah EASY.

At the time Pac fought Clottey was he REALLY a real opponent, in comparison to the times Floyd fought the guys he fought? Clottey was a bum coming off a loss.

While all of Floyd's foes were in their prime, 15lbs heavier, ten yrs younger, and in the top 3. The Pac Clottey fight shouldnt have even happened and did nothing for Pac's resume.

[MurkaMan]

when a man starts making a case for Ortiz...you know it is no longer worth it

You ignored me because its nothing you can say to me. It was very easy for me to make a case for Ortiz. He was ten yrs younger, southpaw volume puncher, 15lbs heavier.

Floyd fought him AFTER the Mosley fight in which he got caught. But Mosley was old remember? Ortiz was a VERY dangerous and bold choice coming off the Mosley fight because we thought that with Ortiz being bigger, younger, and stronger than Mosley, he would hurt Floyd more and finish him.

Its no way you can discredit that choice. And thats why you ignored my comment.

I pointed out that after Ortiz beat Berto Lampley said no one would fight him. After Floyd chose him, he said Ortiz was too young and didnt throw jabs.

Floyd's last several opponents are like that. Discredited by cheap folklore and not actual facts. Except for Cotto was was waaaay damaged and had multiple damaging losses.

Just admit you dont know boxing and take your biased crap somewhere else. #Babyboxingfan

[MurkaMan]

when a man starts making a case for Ortiz...you know it is no longer worth it

"Convince me they are better than we will talk." He may not be able to, but when I step to the plate nada. Go away with your fake trash Lol