Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Top 15 Welterweights of the 21st Century

Collapse
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #61
    Originally posted by soul_survivor View Post
    The welterweight division has been at or near the forefront of our sport for as long as boxing has stood under the Marquess of Queensberry, filling the upper echelon of seats with the likes of Robinson, Napoles and Leonard.

    The last 14 years haven't been any different, with the two best of their generation plying their trade for some time at the 147lb limit, not to mention stand outs such as Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Antonio Margarito and so on.

    So here's my list of the top 15 fighters at 147lb from the start of the year 2000 to today:

    1. Manny Pacquiao

    Notable wins over Miguel Cotto, Oscar De La Hoya, Joshua Clottey, Juan Manuel Marquez and honestly, twice over Timothy Bradley make the Pacman a clear choice for number one. The Mosley fight was admittedly a farce and the Marquez KO loss does dent Pacquiao a bit but his body of work is still incredible.

    2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    The other side of boxing's richest coin, Mayweather, love him or hate him has stayed undefeated at welterweight but lack of names such as Cotto, Margarito, Williams and a younger Mosley really start to drown an otherwise decent resume at 147. Any one or two of those fights would have elevated him to number 1, instead we've seen Baldomir, Mitchell, Ortiz, Guerrero and co.

    3. Shane Mosley

    Mosley's two losses to Vernon Forrest, a good, solid operator but far from great really hurt him, not to mention the shady circumstances of his win over Oscar but at 147lb he was still a force to be reckoned with and his speed, accuracy and power were second to none.

    4. Miguel Cotto

    Cotto, for better or for worse has carved out one of the most memorable careers in boxing and at his best he was a terrific boxer with a great left hook. A victory over Mosley proves just that. He does how ever, have the knack of losing some of the bigger fights but hey, when you lose to the best of your generations, that's not so bad.

    5. Zab Judah

    What if? That one phrase defines Judah's career, what if he had the mental fortitude? What if he could take a punch? What if...But even with all that, he still managed a reign at welterweight and for some 5 rounds, matched Mayweather for speed and accuracy. His demons though, almost always won out.

    6. Antonio Margarito

    The most controversial man on this list, Margarito in his prime was a feared fighter with dynamite in both fists but that is often off set by accusations of cheating. But beyond the headlines, he was a gifted fighter with an iron chin, the beating he lay on Cotto and the punches he took in return will go down in legend.

    7. Vernon Forrest

    A strong, skilled and often quick boxer who knew how to fight, Forrest was never great, his body at times too fragile but two wins over a man who was regarded by some at the time as the best P4P fighter on the planet. Losses to Mayorga, a limited slugger hurt and it's why he's further down my list than some would have him.

    8. Paul Williams

    Williams is often overlooked, even when he was near the forefront of his division people never seemed to mention him. He was a name only amongst the hardcore and for those of us who witnessed him fight, we loved him. A busy fighter, strong, quick and unusually tall for a welterweight Williams was avoided by top dogs like Mayweather and Mosley, just goes to show how good he was.

    9. Cory Spinks

    A solid fighter would probably be the best way to describe him. He mostly looked good and every now and then he might even have looked excellent but his constant yo-yoing in weight damaged his chances for sustained success. His victories over Mayorga and Judah show us he was good enough.

    10. Ricardo Mayorga

    A brawler, by every definition of the word, vicious, hard hitting and dangerous. His lack of fundamentals and a need to box often let him down but for how ever long the fight lasted, he was exciting and value for money. His resume has it's ups and downs, just like his boxing technique but some good wins over Forrest can't be denied.

    11. Timothy Bradley

    Lil Timmy, one of the most pugnacious fighters of his generation would be a lot higher if his victory over Pacquiao had not been controversial. Quick, agile, athletic and tonnes of heart, Bradley may well go down as one of the greats but right now it's difficult to rank him higher.

    12. Juan Manuel Marquez

    His knock out victory over Pacquiao in their 4th meeting and an almost victory in the 3rd fight shoots Marquez up this list. It's a great accomplishment, not to mention the fact that he has managed to maintain his swift counter punching and stamina at a higher weight.

    13. Andre Berto

    Much maligned but he had a decent run as champion and holds some good wins, plus the war with Ortiz shows he has heart, grit and determination. Not every fighter can be great and Berto is the perfect example of a fighter with many tools needed for greatness but lacking that extra edge, what ever that may be.

    14. Paulie Malignaggi

    With little to no power, Malignaggi has crafted a more than decent career for himself with his quick feet, quick hands and quicker mouth. His Indian summer, which lasted some 2 years, allowed him to hold a portion of the world title and a win over rival Judah. Not bad at all.

    15. Carlos Quintana

    A rangy southpaw who holds a win over Williams, that's not bad for a guy with a suspect chin and a sometimes unwilling nature. When he was on his game, he could be brilliant.

    What do you guys think? Post your own lists.
    Antonio Margarito should be above Shane Mosley and Miguel Cotto and especially Zab Judah based on accomplishments AT THE WEIGHT.

    Hell even Mayweather too.

    Comment


    • #62
      In terms of pure resume at welter, no other divisions, not head 2 head, just resume

      1 Floyd- zab, baldomir, Shane hatton, Ortiz, ghost, jmm

      2 Shane- biggest win on list with oscar, margs,

      3 Forrest - 2nd best wins on list with the Shane

      4- manny- cotto, oscar, Bradley, clottey, Shane

      5- margs- cotto, cintron twice, clottey

      6- cotto- zab, Shane, Quintana, clottey, Gomez

      7 mayorga two wins over Forrest, six heads

      8 Bradley- manny, jmm, abregu, ruslan

      9 spinks- mayorga, Judah, piccarlo

      10-Williams- margs, Quintana

      11- baldomir- clottey, Judah, gatti

      12- Judah - spinks

      13 jmm - ko'd manny, beat up Alvarado

      14 Maidana- broner, soto karass, Lopez

      15- Porter- Devon, Pauli, Diaz

      Comment


      • #63
        To really do a list like this, you gotta look at all the truely big wins of the era

        Shane over oscar
        Forrest over Shane twice
        Mayorga over Forrest twice
        Judah over spinks in the rematch
        Floyd over baldomir
        Floyd over hatton
        Cotto over Shane
        Margs over cotto
        Shane over margs
        Manny over cotto
        Floyd over Shane
        Jmm ko manny
        Manny over Bradley

        Comment


        • #64
          Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
          In terms of pure resume at welter, no other divisions, not head 2 head, just resume

          1 Floyd- zab, baldomir, Shane hatton, Ortiz, ghost, jmm

          2 Shane- biggest win on list with oscar, margs,

          3 Forrest - 2nd best wins on list with the Shane

          4- manny- cotto, oscar, Bradley, clottey, Shane

          5- margs- cotto, cintron twice, clottey

          6- cotto- zab, Shane, Quintana, clottey, Gomez

          7 mayorga two wins over Forrest, six heads

          8 Bradley- manny, jmm, abregu, ruslan

          9 spinks- mayorga, Judah, piccarlo

          10-Williams- margs, Quintana

          11- baldomir- clottey, Judah, gatti

          12- Judah - spinks

          13 jmm - ko'd manny, beat up Alvarado

          14 Maidana- broner, soto karass, Lopez

          15- Porter- Devon, Pauli, Diaz

          Margarito TKO 7 Sergio Martinez @ 147

          Comment


          • #65
            Never really thought about it but talk about an era of garbage welter weights

            Comment


            • #66
              Pacquiao beat Bradley x2, Clottey, Cotto in their primes @ WW, but didn't Floyd also beat a Prime Maidana, Hatton, Guerrero, Baldomir, Judah(who knows)?
              This not counting fighters out of their Primes. It's pretty even.

              Comment


              • #67
                soul_survivor - Surely Judah is far too high and can't be ahead of Margarito?

                Sugar Adam Ali - Forrest's two wins over Mosley are certainly amongst the very best wins this century at Welterweight but he also lost twice to Mayorga, now does that make Mayorga's wins over Forrest more impressive than Forrest's wins over Mosley? Whatever the evaluation surely Pacquiao is ahead of Forrest.
                Last edited by Humean; 06-03-2014, 05:35 PM.

                Comment


                • #68
                  Originally posted by RetroSpeed05 View Post
                  Exacly, at his age he has to have certain type of fighters.

                  2013 version? what makes you say that?
                  He walked down Canelo, over powered him, and he isnt even a puncher. Canelo looked like a Jumbo Man. He was 165lbs. Floyd looked like a baldheaded little baby. He was 150lbs and stood in the pocket without being hissed. NO ONE is beating that version of Floyd. NO ONE IN HISTORY could perform on that level against a guy that young, fast, and big.

                  I think the Floyd who fought Ghost is too sharp on his feet. The Floyd who fought Canelo is too EVERYTHING.

                  Comment


                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Oasis_Lad View Post

                    Comment


                    • #70
                      Originally posted by RetroSpeed05 View Post
                      Again that's pure speculation that he would win in this never-ending fantasy match up debate.

                      Floyd did a good job against Canelo, But what happened with the Maidana fight? I had it 8-4 for Floyd, but he didn't leave the match unscathed.
                      At this point in his career he needs a certain type a fighter to look good.
                      I just realized you did exactly what I said you would do. You took the worst version of Floyd to throw him in a fantasy fight. The Madaina fight. The idea of you even doing such fkery, lets me know your one of the guys who wants to find ways to talk around his skillset.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X
                      TOP