All Access: Mayweather vs. Maidana - Episode 1

[Resilient]

We can agree to disagree. I don't think, since 2011, he looks too much different.





I don't know man. I don't see a big difference is speed or reflexes.

''If you dishearten Victor Ortiz in the early rounds he falls to pieces'' Dang how right you were Amir!

[IronDanHamza]

It's funny because if you look at the Ortiz fight now, he looks waaaay quicker than he did against Guerrero/Alvarez. Like night and day. Plus, that fight was three years ago. Three years! That's a long effin time in boxing.

Exactly it is literally like night and day.

The difference in his physical tools between now and then.

3 years definitely a long time especially when you're 34 and now 37. I'm not surprised at all by the slip it's completely natural and let's face it whilst he's obviously declined and in decline he's still very fast and sharp just no where near what he was at the start of the decade.

[4Corners]

I'm of this opinion as well, I've seen improvement in the foot/ hand speed department with Guerrero, Canelo in comparison to Mosley, Cotto and Ortiz. Still I want to say this, I watched the Baldomir fight about a week ago and he looked considerably faster there than he is now.

Well yeah. 2006 was Floyd at 29 in his prime.

I saw a difference from the Hatton and Marquez fight. Hatton was his last prime fight IMO.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm of this opinion as well, I've seen improvement in the foot/ hand speed department with Guerrero, Canelo in comparison to Mosley, Cotto and Ortiz. Still I want to say this, I watched the Baldomir fight about a week ago and he looked considerably faster there than he is now.

Well of course That was 8 years ago. He was in his 20's then and in his prime.

He's heading toward 40 now.

The difference between him physically there and now, that is an immensely drastic difference which of course is to be expected considered he was in his prime then and well passed his prime today.

[Bird1]

When I saw the Ortiz fight, I saw a noticeable difference from the Mosley fight.

Then the first two rounds of the Guerrero fight, he looked like crap IMO. Perhaps it was ring rust, because he was elusive and moved around quicker with his legs then he had in a minute the rest of the fight.

Dwyer mentioned something really interesting in one of his vids. Mayweather had more respect for Guerreros power than he did versus Canelo as evident by the way he was moving around in the first rounds against Guerrero. In the Canelo fight he started walking him down almost instantly. Could just be because of the ring rust and that he wanted to be more careful against a southpaw.

[IronDanHamza]

When I saw the Ortiz fight, I saw a noticeable difference from the Mosley fight.

Then the first two rounds of the Guerrero fight, he looked like crap IMO. Perhaps it was ring rust, because he was elusive and moved around quicker with his legs then he had in a minute the rest of the fight.

I just don't get it

How can you possibly look at the hand speed in the Ortiz fight then again at the Guererro fight and not see how much slower his hands are?

I can see the feet, solely because he decided to move a lot more as opposed to standing flat footed like he did against Ortiz because of the period of his career he was going through.

That said, he's clearly slower in foot aswell.

[radioraheem]

It's funny because if you look at the Ortiz fight now, he looks waaaay quicker than he did against Guerrero/Alvarez. Like night and day. Plus, that fight was three years ago. Three years! That's a long effin time in boxing.

I don't think it's that. I think with each fighter, depending on their skill set, he approaches the fight catered to their style. With Ortiz, Ortiz was so ****** and whatnot, that he could take more risk. Ortiz was not a smart fighter. Whereas, with Guerrero -- Guerrero was ready to counterattack the minute Floyd threw a single punch, and he was a true southpaw (unlike Ortiz who is really orthodox). Canelo too was trying to do little things where he had to take caution. Canelo is no ****** fighter. Same with Cotto, Cotto has SKILLS and is no fool.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Well yeah. 2006 was Floyd at 29 in his prime.

I saw a difference from the Hatton and Marquez fight. Hatton was his last prime fight IMO.

I don't know really, he's had his advantages and disadvantages when comparing them both, he's hitting harder now and he's clearly physically stronger. But yeah I get that he doesn't have that kind of speed anymore.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Dwyer mentioned something really interesting in one of his vids. Mayweather had more respect for Guerreros power than he did versus Canelo as evident by the way he was moving around in the first rounds against Guerrero. In the Canelo fight he started walking him down almost instantly. Could just be because of the ring rust and that he wanted to be more careful against a southpaw.

That's because Guerrero is unorthodox and dirty, and Canelo is more textbook which worked to Mayweather's advantage.

[nveleven]

Neither Floyd nor Pac are that interesting outside of the ring. Per the 24/7 & All Access eps, Floyd can be summed up in a sentence containing a series of wealth-hyping adjectives. Pac can be summed up in a single sentence containing God-hyping adjectives and the fact that he took on a nominal political role in his country. A big reason for this is that neither of these guys has a formal education beyond the high school level, nor do they come across as intellectually curious. There's no real depth to explore in either person. I'm certain that the producers for either network have turned both guys inside out to find it.

What they DO have is incredible work ethic, street smarts, & a constant search for a father figure/companionship. The only reason I was hyped up for the old 24/7's w these guys was to watch the Rocky-esque training sequences, and to learn more about the opponent. I couldn't make it through 10 minutes of All Access last night, and I was actually looking forward to it.