40 million fair deal or a bad joke(debate)?

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

pac man has become a religion "paciyism"

[The Gambler1981]

You said that Manny's team should counter Floyd's offers. I showed you that Floyd's team doesn't care for no counter-offers.

Floyd keeps on putting out videos stating "I'm not interested in fighting Manny"

So now you want us all to believe what Roach is telling us but not Floyd? Not Ellerbe? ...... Got it!

Floyd fans are incredible. Roach just put out a leaf and said both are to blame yet Floyd fans can't accept that their side is to blame.

No what you posted was some random lines with no context, in the media of course they would say stuff like that because they want the best possible deal but that doesn't really mean anything behind closed doors it is just not freely giving up leverage.

You obviously don't understand how to negotiate~ you negotiate talking to the actual people involved behind closed doors not talking to the media.

[ADP02]

the fact remains your hero turned down 50/50 in one of the biggest fights because he didn't want to do random ost. that is a fact.

sorry to bust your bubble kid, but manny ran from floyd and is still running today.

WRONG, like usual. Manny already accepted doing extra testing.

Floyd and Manny were negotiating the cutoff date and were off by 10 days.

There was a poll back then over here that Floyd fans AND Manny fans agreed that Manny should accept the 14 days cutoff to get the fight on. That is what Roach is saying to NOT that Manny didn't want the fight!!!
When Floyd removed the cutoff dates, Floyd fans then changed their mind, like usual .... 14 days was no longer acceptable even if it meant getting the fight on.

So Manny was ready to do more than the commission rules. Floyd was making it up as he went along. Again, Floyd was NOT presenting to Manny some sort of gold standard. It was a negotiation that went wrong.

[Brandish]

Got proof he was on something? Read my post again with what i said about Usada they test for stuff on a banned list! A list that up until that point was only used in the olympics for Floyd to just randomly say you have to do ost for the fight when there has never been proof of manny cheating is a slap in the face which is why manny sued him. Floyd Sr started this crap talking crazy and floyd jr used it to get out of the fight. Say for instance Manny got tested and he was found positive for a drug that was used for controlling a medical condition that no on knew manny had and doesnt do anything to increase performance but an ingredient is on the banned list just ONE ingredient. It violates mannys right to privacy.

Its 2014 not 2010 MANNY HAS AGREED TO EVERYTHING INCLUDING THE OST IT SHOULD BE AN EASY FIGHT FOR FLOYD RIGHT? NEW EXCUSE FIRE BOB ARUM!

floyd was going to take the same test. so you have no argument. both fighters were going to be subjected to USADA testing.

so you can talk about right to privacy, but floyd's privacy was going to be violated as well.

manny should have agreed the first time. it's too late now to comeback asking for 50/50 he had his chance and if he's not fighting floyd next he can go fight mike alvardo lmao

[Brandish]

WRONG, like usual. Manny already accepted doing extra testing.

Floyd and Manny were negotiating the cutoff date and were off by 10 days.

There was a poll back then over here that Floyd fans AND Manny fans agreed that Manny should accept the 14 days cutoff to get the fight on. That is what Roach is saying to NOT that Manny didn't want the fight!!!
When Floyd removed the cutoff dates, Floyd fans then changed their mind, like usual .... 14 days was no longer acceptable even if it meant getting the fight on.

So Manny was ready to do more than the commission rules. Floyd was making it up as he went along. Again, Floyd was NOT presenting to Manny some sort of gold standard. It was a negotiation that went wrong.

lmao the negotiations didn't go wrong manny didn't want to man up like other fighters have.

how do you turn down 50/50 because you don't want random ost? you leave all that money on the table because tyour afraid of needles, and lie and say taking blood makes me weak. I've had blood drawn and it didn't make me weak.

so manny is stuck with mike alvardo lmao.

[ADP02]

No what you posted was some random lines with no context, in the media of course they would say stuff like that because they want the best possible deal but that doesn't really mean anything behind closed doors it is just not freely giving up leverage.

You obviously don't understand how to negotiate~ you negotiate talking to the actual people involved behind closed doors not talking to the media.

I hope you are joking or something because I'm quite sure that YOU and other Floyd fans heard comments from Manny's side to the media and took it as a truth. Example is when Manny said he was willing to take less. What did YOU and others come back with? "Oh Manny is just saying it to the media, it's just some random line"

The point is you said "Manny should counter". Well they did and that was Ellerbe's response...... VERY NEGATIVE!
There were other offers made. Floyd's side never came back with anything.

[ADP02]

lmao the negotiations didn't go wrong manny didn't want to man up like other fighters have.

how do you turn down 50/50 because you don't want random ost? you leave all that money on the table because tyour afraid of needles, and lie and say taking blood makes me weak. I've had blood drawn and it didn't make me weak.

so manny is stuck with mike alvardo lmao.

It's all Floyd's fault .....

[gdghunter06]

floyd was going to take the same test. so you have no argument. both fighters were going to be subjected to USADA testing.

so you can talk about right to privacy, but floyd's privacy was going to be violated as well.

manny should have agreed the first time. it's too late now to comeback asking for 50/50 he had his chance and if he's not fighting floyd next he can go fight mike alvardo lmao

So what because they are taking the SAME TEST by the company that FLOYD PICKED justified floyd trying to make manny do something that he has never done before. Again you miss the point it should have never been brought up in the first place but Floyd and his daddy put it out there long before they even negotiated the first time that manny was on something. Manny has never failed a test! but if manny was taking something that doesnt produce any Advantage in a fight but its on the banned list the fight would have been off! 50/50 chance? SO i guess you forgot the point of this thread about Floyd making a bs offer of 40 million with no gate and no ppv just a flat 40 million. Also Manny sent his guy to vegas to negotiate a deal but even then TOP RANK is mannys promoter. Floyd knows that so any deal was bs to begin with.

When Floyd stops acting like a child now using his 2014 excuse of he needs to fire bob arum then the fight will happen until then keep crying about 50/50 and 2010 and ost because after that you got nothing to defend floyd for not fighting manny.

[The Gambler1981]

I hope you are joking or something because I'm quite sure that YOU and other Floyd fans heard comments from Manny's side to the media and took it as a truth. Example is when Manny said he was willing to take less. What did YOU and others come back with? "Oh Manny is just saying it to the media, it's just some random line"

The point is you said "Manny should counter". Well they did and that was Ellerbe's response...... VERY NEGATIVE!
There were other offers made. Floyd's side never came back with anything.

Please quote me, I haven't said anything about what Roach said in this thread or the thread actually about that until now to bring up that I haven't even talked about that. It is kind of an odd thing for Roach to offer up and I don't exactly see a reasoning behind why he would be untruthful there, where as when you are posturing for negotiation you could say almost anything. So it is not even close to the same.

For example do you remember when Manny said he would take less than 50/50, that was dumb because they could then use it against him in the actual negotiation. You never say what you want, you always ask for more.

This is all basic negotiations, you obviously don't get it.

They did not counter actually though to the 40 million dollar offer which this thread is about and everything I posted is based on, also what I was saying was my main issue was on this whole ordeal. Now was Floyd willing to move, or was he really willing to deal when he reached out (you have to kind of figure he is if he is reaching out), they never made the moves to check that out they just spun so suckers would take up for them~

YAY Manny way to do nothing to make the fight happen, but I still love you you are right to tell Floyd to get bent and act offended by a big offer instead of actually doing anything on that big offer trying to see if it would work~

[MrTambourineMan]

A joke offer from The Joke Team.