40 million fair deal or a bad joke(debate)?

[The Gambler1981]

You're confused over how this works. If he fights on a TR card, he gets paid by Arum and there's no extra Arum tax. If he fights on another promoters card and Arum gets cut out, he has to get his. So for Pac it's a 12% raise over what he made in previous or next fight. That's not fair market value, that's a joke dude. You do that to ensure the fight is not made.

A raise is a raise though 88% of 40 million is still over 35 and I will be generous and say Manny has made 28 before all the money gets taken out. Which would be 20% which is not insignificant.

I said that before in the thread the only difference would be he would have to pay Arum, which would be pricey, but if he talked it out with Arum they should have been able to work out a deal on that issue for something both would be alright with (Manny and Arum) since Manny is very important to Top Rank and Arum looks out for Manny really well (lol). But to you Manny doesn't have to do **** to make anything happen, he just has to sit that and hope Floyd comes with the correct offer that is alright with him on one try~

[mourinho1]

Two minor questions:

Why are people principally against a B-side taking a lesser offer than he deserves. So the next time when they are numero uno. they can get the better deal than the first time??? I would really like to hear the arguments against this in general. People Act as if FMJ vs Pacman or fights similar could only happen ones. Compensating perceived losses in a rematch is a NO,NO ???isnt this the universal rule when your the B-side that you are treated less? Cotto vs Martinez, isnt Martinez complaining about being the B-side, but yet makes the deal?

In MMA so many fighters go in to title fights with the A-side having PPV points and the B-side a flat fee.

If end of 2014 FMJ and Pac would renegotiate how much do y'all think would be a fair flat fee? or is a fat flee not an option in your book. I personally wouldnt find it crazy if FMJ offers Pac 40M again. Look at all the struggel FMJ had to go through to keep his 0. Canelo is a badboy, his style is something FMJ can handle, but in all honesty i dont think many 147 fighters alive could handle Canelo maybe not even Keith Thurman could Handle Canelo at 152.

[Brandish]

Two minor questions:

Why are people principally against a B-side taking a lesser offer than he deserves. So the next time when they are numero uno. they can get the better deal than the first time??? I would really like to hear the arguments against this in general. People Act as if FMJ vs Pacman or fights similar could only happen ones. Compensating perceived losses in a rematch is a NO,NO ???isnt this the universal rule when your the B-side that you are treated less? Cotto vs Martinez, isnt Martinez complaining about being the B-side, but yet makes the deal?

In MMA so many fighters go in to title fights with the A-side having PPV points and the B-side a flat fee.

If end of 2014 FMJ and Pac would renegotiate how much do y'all think would be a fair flat fee? or is a fat flee not an option in your book. I personally wouldnt find it crazy if FMJ offers Pac 40M again. Look at all the struggel FMJ had to go through to keep his 0. Canelo is a badboy, his style is something FMJ can handle, but in all honesty i dont think many 147 fighters alive could handle Canelo maybe not even Keith Thurman could Handle Canelo at 152.

no pac will be lucky to get 20 million as a guarantee. his stock has plummeted compared to floyd's.

a 20 million guarantee is still alot of money. i just don't think the fight will do over 160 in total revenue.

in 2009-2010 it would have been a 200 million dollar fight.

[HeroBando]

A raise is a raise though 88% of 40 million is still over 35 and I will be generous and say Manny has made 28 before all the money gets taken out. Which would be 20% which is not insignificant.

I said that before in the thread the only difference would be he would have to pay Arum, which would be pricey, but if he talked it out with Arum they should have been able to work out a deal on that issue for something both would be alright with (Manny and Arum) since Manny is very important to Top Rank and Arum looks out for Manny really well (lol). But to you Manny doesn't have to do **** to make anything happen, he just has to sit that and hope Floyd comes with the correct offer that is alright with him on one try~

Again failing to understand. Arums minimum is usually said to be 27%. That would make it 29m for Pac vs 26m he made prior and next. Thats beyond pitiful for a fight of this scale. Its just more roadblocks, what else is new

[The Gambler1981]

Again failing to understand. Arums minimum is usually said to be 27%. That would make it 29m for Pac vs 26m he made prior and next. Thats beyond pitiful for a fight of this scale. Its just more roadblocks, what else is new

Promoters are not entitled to take more than 10%~ I would say you are just throwing a number out there.

So Manny tells Arum, I want Floyd or no more fights and I am not paying you no more than 10% of my purse. What would Arum do, probably take his 4 million for doing nothing.

So you really don't get what should have happened, you are just worried about the surface and spinning it to fit your ideals~

[HeroBando]

Promoters are not entitled to take more than 10%~ I would say you are just throwing a number out there.

So Manny tells Arum, I want Floyd or no more fights and I am not paying you no more than 10% of my purse. What would Arum do, probably take his 4 million for doing nothing.

So you really don't get what should have happened, you are just worried about the surface and spinning it to fit your ideals~

You got a link for that? You wouldnt be making up figures just to make Floyds offer seem less of a joke, right?

Akaik 27% came from Floyd himself and has been repeated 100s of times by your fellow travelers here

[The Gambler1981]

You got a link for that? You wouldnt be making up figures just to make Floyds offer seem less of a joke, right?

Akaik 27% came from Floyd himself and has been repeated 100s of times by your fellow travelers here

10% is from the Garcia lawsuit, which is actually a legal document based on law. I thought you didn't listen much to Floyd or those people and you take their number as gospel and spout it off as fact.

One Floyd was talking ****, and two he was talking what he pays Arum currently working for him for which you say Manny pays him nothing (which isn't true, they are just costs that Arum gives him).

[HeroBando]

10% is from the Garcia lawsuit, which is actually a legal document based on law. I thought you didn't listen much to Floyd or those people and you take their number as gospel and spout it off as fact.

One Floyd was talking ****, and two he was talking what he pays Arum currently working for him for which you say Manny pays him nothing (which isn't true, they are just costs that Arum gives him).

I wanna see a link stating that promoters are entitled to 10% max, please provide.

How many times do i have to repeat: Arum makes money by promoting fight cards. If he gets cut out of the promotion, some minimum has to be met. All available info points to a 27% minimum. Why is this so hard to understand? Probably cause you dont like the implication

[BIG GUNZ]

I think at this current time 60/40 or 65/35 is more than fair. But back when they were negotiating it should have easily been 50/50 or 55/45. And Pacquiao should get 30-35% of the PPV money as well. If it were to be believed about the 200 million number, I think Floyd making 120-125 Mil total & Pacquiao making 75-80 Million is the most fair deal. 40 Million without any PPV $ is an absolute joke. Why should Floyd make around 4x as much, when his PPVs only draw maybe 15% more. And the Canelo fight only did as good as it did because Canelo has a huge fanbase, so Canelo deserves almost half the credit for that big number.

[The Gambler1981]

I wanna see a link stating that promoters are entitled to 10% max, please provide.

How many times do i have to repeat: Arum makes money by promoting fight cards. If he gets cut out of the promotion, some minimum has to be met. All available info points to a 27% minimum. Why is this so hard to understand? Probably cause you dont like the implication

Ok then give me a link proving 27%, when you give me a link I will give you a link to the pdf for the Garcia lawsuit which is easy enough to find.


Arum makes money by any means necessary~ how you are a boxing fan that argues numbers and don't get that I have no ****ing clue.