40 million fair deal or a bad joke(debate)?

[TRTboy]

It wasn't a bad first offer, and I don't think people realise how a negotiation works. You never start off with what you're prepared to offer, because you diminish your bargaining position and run the risk of missing out on getting more than you hoped for.

A: I'll offer you 40,000,000 for the fight.
B: How about 15,000,000 and 40% of the revenue.
A: 30,000,000 and 15% of the revenue.
B: 20,000,000 and 35%
A: 25,000,000 and 30%
B: Done.

The above is somewhat simplistic, but it gets the point across. You don't walk away from the table after the first offer.

They were already " negotiating " for that fight for at least 3 years when that offer came out of nowhere. Weird that it was after pac agreed to the testing.

[Francis M.]

No I was talking about total revenue, and then what the fighters split including all the costs that get taken off the top~ and like I said it was rough but give the general idea.

Manny doesn't get 100% now, so while that 40 million would become less that is nothing new with the only possible exception of paying Top Rank off which would be expensive but Manny could have stood up to them and forced them to deal I am sure they would oblige him because he is pretty important.

You're basically asking PAC to participate in the biggest fight on earth and pretty much take the same pay after paying TR promotions? You make it sound easy but in reality it's not. Floyd/Haymon is smart and they know that it is not a viable option to offer PAC a flat fee.....

[The Gambler1981]

You're basically asking PAC to participate in the biggest fight on earth and pretty much take the same pay after paying TR promotions? You make it sound easy but in reality it's not. Floyd/Haymon is smart and they know that it is not a viable option to offer PAC a flat fee.....

I am not asking him to do anything, him refusing a first offer is perfectly fine, now the offer was fair market value really based on what he makes but I can understand him wanting to do better.

If he make 40 million flat or he make 40 million off percentage they both spend the same. So I don't get the big hang up about a flat fee aside from the fact he could get screwed if the fight breaks records but that is a fixable issue because Floyd would obviously want Manny to help promote the fight and Manny would have no incentive without upside to do **** for the fight as his 40 would be set.

Now my issue would be what he did after that offer acting offended instead of trying to make it work because if Floyd is coming 40 million first offer there is more to be had especially on the back end if they actually worked at it. We will never know if a deal could have been worked out because they didn't even try at that point~

[ADP02]

It wasn't a bad first offer, and I don't think people realise how a negotiation works. You never start off with what you're prepared to offer, because you diminish your bargaining position and run the risk of missing out on getting more than you hoped for.

A: I'll offer you 40,000,000 for the fight.
B: How about 15,000,000 and 40% of the revenue.
A: 30,000,000 and 15% of the revenue.
B: 20,000,000 and 35%
A: 25,000,000 and 30%
B: Done.

The above is somewhat simplistic, but it gets the point across. You don't walk away from the table after the first offer.

Manny's side came back with several alternatives but Floyd's side refused.

[ADP02]

Notice how Floyd isn't even responding to Bob's and Manny's media shenanigans? He's letting them talk the media to death about wanting a fight.

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because just like in 2010, Floyd said "I'm not interested in fighting Manny"

Reasons:
- I prefer to go on a long vacation
- I prefer to fight either Khan or Maidana

[jcpryor]

Manny's side came back with several alternatives but Floyd's side refused.

What alternatives? Not **** they said through the media, but in actual negotiations that they had? Give an example.

[ADP02]

What alternatives? Not **** they said through the media, but in actual negotiations that they had? Give an example.

Then you need to discount everything that was said and done by both sides since most was said thru the media.

That said, Floyd has been back-peddling since 2009 and you know it. His offers are worse every time he speaks. Floyd didn't want to fight Manny.

[tangalog2200]

first of all he didn't offer manny pacquiao the man 40 million because manny pacquiao is promoted by top rank. he can't just leave and accept any offer. he has a legal contract. so floyd offered top rank and manny pac 40 mill(over the phone very official) so then if you look at the numbers top rank usually makes over 40 million per pac fight so accepting less to do the biggest fight in boxing history doesn't make a lot of sense now does it? if you subtract top rank's usual cut pac wouldn't even make his biggest payday either. also the total amount generated for this fight would almost certainly exceed 200 million so 160 million to 40 million? is that really fair? does floyd generate 4 times as much as pac? no not even close. so no it wasn't a good offer. yes it was a joke to anyone who understands simple concepts, but it was a great offer for any simpleton who doesn't like to think.

very well said....

people tend to look at the numbers but fail to consider the other relevant issues...

[KaL-EL]

Floyd did turn down $100mill

Even 50 cent said "thats a 100 million dollars and you're just going to walk away from it" when Skip Bayless asked him did Floyd duck manny

[InvalidUserID]

Posturing.

I look at it more of "I'm the bigger draw and here are my terms. Take them or leave it".

The no PPV part is laughable.