40 million fair deal or a bad joke(debate)?

[V.WEBB]

Yeah everybody was up on that! Then it went from that to, "No, everyone (except Pacquiao) needs to do real 24/7, 365 testing" whatever that means. Then it went to "VADA is the only real testing agency). All backhanded compliments to Floyd -- apparently he's enlightened them on the need for better testing

Right. That was hilarious when we had guys like f1castro and the other guy, can't think of his name saying that. Funny and terrible times in Pac-tardia.

[junior gong]

I think this also belongs to the classics...

Floyd: And yes, Pacquiao you're next!

The next day...

Floyd: I never said that!

In the world of racist floydspastics, that never happened.

[V.WEBB]

You wont be calling people racists.

Take a hike.

[IMDAZED]

You wont be calling people racists.

Take a hike.

Had him on my ignore list anyway. But the average IQ on this site just shot up.

[V.WEBB]

Had him on my ignore list anyway. But the average IQ on this site just shot up.

I did too. Kid was distrubed. Just follows people around from thread to thread crying.

[AntonTheMeh]

the thought of manny not getting a cut of the ppv is an absolute joke and anyone that argues it's merits is clearly a ****ing idiot.

[New England]

the thought of manny not getting a cut of the ppv is an absolute joke and anyone that argues it's merits is clearly a ****ing idiot.

agreed. pacquiao would be a part of the draw without a doubt.

that said, floyd will bring more to the table, and should get more accordingly. i'd have to go through their numbers more thoroughly to decide what i'd think was a fair split.

[Brandish]

projections:

may vs pac 2014

ppv between 2.0-2.5 million buys

total revenue 130-160 million

pac guarantee 40 million

floyd guarantee 60 million

pac = 40 million/160 million = 25 %
pac = 40 million/130 million = 31%

40 million is quite fair

[mourinho1]

As the TS i would like to respond to the few Pacman supporters in here who made some points that in all honesty are worth mentioning/debating...

You're confused over how this works. If he fights on a TR card, he gets paid by Arum and there's no extra Arum tax. If he fights on another promoters card and Arum gets cut out, he has to get his. So for Pac it's a 12% raise over what he made in previous or next fight. That's not fair market value, that's a joke dude. You do that to ensure the fight is not made.

Please man... In live someone can make you a clear offer of an X-amount and thats it. I personally have no problems with it. It makes things perfectly clear what the offer is. for example Hearns offered Amir Khan very recently 5 million USD. Khan knows what 5 million is and what he has to do with it if he accepts. maybe pay his promoter, manager,trainer etc. i dont know but what is clear is what is being offered there is no debate over that. Other example is Tyson Fury had a 5 million pounds deals with david haye, if i remember correctly this is an even better example because In the Fury deal there would also be PPV(SKY) involved. No one in the world was complaining about percentages if you come to an agreement about the money and your fine with that and you know what it means there is no reason to complain about it.

So to respond to your every offer has to be raised with 12% on top is kinda ridiculous this is not some golden rule or something sorry i dont agree with this. So if hypothetical FMJ offered manny a 100.000.000 cap. manny should still claim 12% on top just because he has to pay TR,managers, trainers etc??? nah man as far as i know this isn't the way. obvious he could say 40M was to low that is subjective tho'. David+skysports made a sortlike an agreement with Fury. And the deal was signed. so it isnt a tactic to make a fight not happen.

You're basically asking PAC to participate in the biggest fight on earth and pretty much take the same pay after paying TR promotions? You make it sound easy but in reality it's not. Floyd/Haymon is smart and they know that it is not a viable option to offer PAC a flat fee.....

read the above dude, a fat fee in general doesnt mean a per definition a bad deal or a bum deal.
When i look at these type of things i tend to look for history/precedents!!! How many fighters in the history of boxing were able to make 40M in one fight!!! better yet how many B-side fighters were offered 40M as their first offer to start the negotiations, better yet how many fighters in history turned down 40M first offer with no back end discussed yet in a single phone call/ a day. To get the record straight so many peeps have taken a subjectively bad deal. than they deserved to become as succesfull as they could be, there is no shame in taken less now to potentially become as succesfull as can be tomorrow!!! DR.Dre wasnt happy with his deal with Suge knight, but he did do it.

If manny who is loved and BELIEVED for all his actions and words would have beaten public enemy number one FMJ(exageration). He would be the cash cow and the Top Dog who could make flat fee offerings...

Floyd did turn down $100mill

Even 50 cent said "thats a 100 million dollars and you're just going to walk away from it" when Skip Bayless asked him did Floyd duck manny

50 didnt have his calculator he was taliking in general i geuss. for floyd to make 100.000.000 he would have to make 2 million PPV buys for himself without sharing it with anyone but the cable companies. every buy would have to be 100 dollars. as the cable companies take 50% every buy.
With that said Pacman would need 800.000 buys on top to make his 40.000.000. in total 2.800.000 buys. that is something that has never ever been done and a 100 dollar PPV i also cant remember. But ofcourse it would be possible. under the right circumstances

We'll yes, you're talking about local ppv money. You forget the international broadcasting rights, sight fee, sponsor money, etc, etc........

You're trying to make it seem like $40 mil to top rank is a viable option. Floyd is in the promotional business and he knew that PAC was talking to him in behalf on himself and toprank. You seemed well verse in ppv gross and the details of the boxing business but refuse to acknowledge that the $40 mil would not go 100% to pac because of his contractual obligations.

You've got a point here. I honestly think and the dude from first take also confirmed it(FMJ probably also has the tape) that FMJ was talking about cutting Arum out, which is in line with how FMJ feels about Arum. Pacman could have said interresting ... but i'll have to wait untill my contract is over. I dont know when was the last time he resigned his deal so legally you have a point that it depends on when at the time Pacman's contract would expire. but this is something legally that we from the outside can only speculate about.

the thought of manny not getting a cut of the ppv is an absolute joke and anyone that argues it's merits is clearly a ****ing idiot.

read all above i thank you for your time :-)

[The Gambler1981]

I did too. Kid was distrubed. Just follows people around from thread to thread crying.

It is funny as hell, he had been gone for about a week on NSB since I messed with him and the instant he shows his face he gets banned, lol.