do u hate it when boxing fans says..

[Dirk Diggler UK]

okay but thats a missmatch,
i call it boxing business match
that is an example of
a fighter martinez leaning towards low risk high reward type of fights
this is what we beeing feed nowadays as a boxing fans

and im surprise boxing fans are taking it like its a masterpiece recipe
defending it "its making martinez more money"
right like they are getting a penny out of it

Nothing to do with making anything out of it but you have to understand the decision and realise that anyone in Martinez's position would take a PPV fight with Miguel Cotto over a regular HBO fight against Golovkin. Golovkin would. I would. And you would too.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

"i support the boxers decision its a smart move for business"

since when did boxing fans start to become business men?

we are boxing fans we suppose to long for good quality matches to happen not think about "good business match"
stop caring about how much fighters make we dont get any of it...

lets continue to support fearless fighters and despise the fearful

I tell you what I hate even worse. Boxing fans that don't know about the sport and think that all boxers are the one's making the decision of who they fight next.

What the *** are managers and promoters for? Do you even know how things work in boxing? People keep talking about "ducking" and it's the managers and promoters making the decisions.

Let's beat a dead ***in horse with this thread.

[The Big Dunn]

Fonfara is a more lucrative fight than Stevenson-Kovalev? Quite clear you're just trolling now. This fight was made 2-3 months ago and there was no mention of this happening back then. In the context of that time, Kovalev-Stevenson was clearly the much more lucrative fight.

Again this has nothing to do with Haymon or showtime. If Stevenson is about that lucrative life, why turn down Kovalev to fight Fonfara instead 2-3 months ago?

But you said it, he's avoiding Kovalev, yet you support it. Not sure why tho, cant use the "he chose the more lucrative fight" excuse. Just pure nuthuggery at this point

I answered your question. I gave you the 2 fights which were more lucrative. Fonfora is the same no matter the network. Bhop on Showtime is more lucrative than kkk on hbo.

Nuthuggin is childish and shows you have nothing intelligent to add. Hbo failed to match the offer Showtime did. Had they, then we'd be in a different place.

Hob was ok with both Stevenson and kkk taking setup fights. You are not criticizing them or kkk, just Stevenson. Hob is the reason they didn't fight yet.

They needed to fill dates since they don't work with gbp. So they let both guys fight scrubs first then have them meet later in the year. They get 3 fights instead of one.

When you gonna get pissed about that?

[JBell11]

I hate it when people ignore the reality of economics in life and act like fighters owe it to fans who wouldn't raise a finger to help them to do whatever will excite them most as if they were free from the worries about lifelong financial stability. That's what I hate.

I agree with this ^. While I like to see a great fight, I can't blame the fighter or the fans for wanting to look at a fight from an economic standpoint. Fighters are now seeing how important it is to be involved with brokering their deals with their management and promoters. The business ignorance was something that had plagued the sport (and others to boot) for years and still does.

While I'm not the person to post or brag that this person makes x amount of dollars per fight, or gets this PPV numbers for that fight...e.t.c., I am the person to step back and say....that makes sense for them as to why they do what they do.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I answered your question. I gave you the 2 fights which were more lucrative. Fonfora is the same no matter the network. Bhop on Showtime is more lucrative than kkk on hbo.

Nuthuggin is childish and shows you have nothing intelligent to add. Hbo failed to match the offer Showtime did. Had they, then we'd be in a different place.

Hob was ok with both Stevenson and kkk taking setup fights. You are not criticizing them or kkk, just Stevenson. Hob is the reason they didn't fight yet.

They needed to fill dates since they don't work with gbp. So they let both guys fight scrubs first then have them meet later in the year. They get 3 fights instead of one.

When you gonna get pissed about that?

What do you mean by HBO was ok with them taking setup fights? HBO would have done Stevenson-Kovalev now. They already had their "setup fights" on the last card.

It was Stevenson who wanted ANOTHER warm-up

[Russian Crushin]

I answered your question. I gave you the 2 fights which were more lucrative. Fonfora is the same no matter the network. Bhop on Showtime is more lucrative than kkk on hbo.

Nuthuggin is childish and shows you have nothing intelligent to add. Hbo failed to match the offer Showtime did. Had they, then we'd be in a different place.

Hob was ok with both Stevenson and kkk taking setup fights. You are not criticizing them or kkk, just Stevenson. Hob is the reason they didn't fight yet.

They needed to fill dates since they don't work with gbp. So they let both guys fight scrubs first then have them meet later in the year. They get 3 fights instead of one.

When you gonna get pissed about that?

You're still not answering my question, you're completely avoiding it. Ill make it more simple.

2-3 months ago, there was no Haymon or SHowtime. Are we good? Lets go on. Stevenson had an option, which was to fight Kovalev, the most lucrative fight available, but he chose Fonfora instead. Why did he chose Fonfara if Kovalev was clearly the more lucrative option.

None of this involves Haymon or showtime, answer it in the context of when the fight was made

[Craveman]

LOL. I was going to make a thread about this. I don't understand why people are so ******, all I want are the best fights available, I don't care about boxing politics or ****!

[Derranged]

So basically all Stevenson/Mayweather fans.

Yup, they care more about being pretend accountants for these fighters than actual fight fans that want to see the best fight the best.

Don't classify all Mayweather fans as the same.

I wasn't aware Stevenson had any fans on this site.

[The Big Dunn]

What do you mean by HBO was ok with them taking setup fights? HBO would have done Stevenson-Kovalev now. They already had their "setup fights" on the last card.

It was Stevenson who wanted ANOTHER warm-up

Hbo allowed this to happen. If they wanted the fight now then make it. It wasn't just Stevenson. Hbo needs to fill dates. They don't have enough fighters so they tried to get 3 fights out of this. Gave both guys easy blowout matches to make the fight even bigger.

You're still not answering my question, you're completely avoiding it. Ill make it more simple.

2-3 months ago, there was no Haymon or SHowtime. Are we good? Lets go on. Stevenson had an option, which was to fight Kovalev, the most lucrative fight available, but he chose Fonfora instead. Why did he chose Fonfara if Kovalev was clearly the more lucrative option.

None of this involves Haymon or showtime, answer it in the context of when the fight was made

See above.

[J The UnBiased]

Maybe some educated fight fans are adults that understand how the business of boxing works. Some of us understand that it's not always up to the fighter. Some of us understand that a fighter would rather go for a lot of money rather than some money. Some of us don't live in a fantasy world where boxing is a Rocky movie. It's a fucking business, and the sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll start pointing the finger at who it needs to be pointed to. You'll start putting the pressure on who it needs to be applied to. The sooner these fighters get what they want, you as a fan will get what you want, the fights you want to see. If you give a fighter what he wants, what does he have to object to? Simple mathematics