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  • New England
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    #81
    Originally posted by bbos
    cannot be done? few centuries ago, men flying, can not be done, moon landing, can not be done...we know little of this world, don't be so quick to make absolute statements on what can and can't be.

    I'm not making a comparison, I'm alluding to the fact that you were criticizing fundamental ideas, you mock at hopes of perfection and quickly resolute to disparaging attempts towards progression to an idealistic reality.

    why do people dismiss the relative validity of modern pro boxing when making a comparison to the golden age of boxing, because the old days of pugilism were closer to this ideal of competition, of the best fighting the best, its frequency was certainly higher, and competition of the 21st century pro boxing can be better than it is.



    how the sport sustains itself depends on how much revenue it can generate, which is contingent upon its popularity among the population, and paper champs such as adonis does not contribute to its popularity growth, nor to the idea of competitive pro boxing.

    the stuff about the moon, etc, i am not going to address. i said as much in my last post.


    dempsey didn't fight all that much, and many people think he avoided harry greb. he certainly wasn't fighting the best available constantly.
    prior to dempsey you had a color barrier, keeping black fighters from competing with whites in many instances. again, the best are not fighting the best constantly during this time. the best are afforded the ability to pick and choose opponents.

    joe louis fought lesser fighters for the extra paydays. the bum of the month club is exaggerated, but they weren't all the best available fighters, even if louis was champion.

    robinson was a financially motivated fighter, and moved accordingly. it's called matchmaking, and it's been happening in boxing for as long as they've been wearing gloves. i don't go back much further than that.

    ali is a bit different. he fought basically everybody. look at him now. he can't walk, talk, take care of himself. he's not all that old, and he didn't make as much money in boxing as a lot of people like to believe.




    i don't discourage people from working toward an ideal sport. i tell them that it's not realistic to expect the best to fight each other constantly and have long careers or make the most money. boxing can't sustain that. at the very least, it would cause boxing administrators to leave the sport if it were mandated.

    fighters want to make money and get out with their faculties intact. i'm OK with that. i'm not going to judge you, as this is the first time i've seen you post. others on this website refuse to recognize what motivates a fighter. they don't want to fight the best constantly. big fights come about. in the meantime, you can take an easier fight for a bit less money. the ones who tell you they want to fight the best constantly are either lying or naive.


    the best message you can sent to a promotor or network in boxing is with your wallet. i don't discourage that. if you don't support a ppv, do not buy it. cancel your subscriptions to hbo or showtime and write them a letter.

    recognize that boxing cannot operate the way a fan would have it operate. you don't let the patrons run a restaurant. they don't hold the same interests. fighters are going to be matched to maximize profitability in the long term for the respective promoters. boxers are going to try and maximize their profitability under the advisement of their managers. managers are going to try and maximize their earnings during the tenure under which they've signed the fighter to a contract.


    private interests, and not the interests explicitly of the fanbase, got boxing into a ton of trouble recently. manny pacquiao got knocked out before he and floyd mayweather fought. that was a huge black eye in the sport, and an example of private interests, in this case GBP and TR, doing serious harm. i don't condone any of that. ideally, GBP and TR will learn from that. i encourage consumers of boxing to pressure GBP and TR. they also need to recognize that fighters are motivated by finances, and that they want to stay as healthy as they can.

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    • deanrw
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      #82
      Originally posted by thuggery
      So basically all Stevenson/Mayweather fans.

      Yup, they care more about being pretend accountants for these fighters than actual fight fans that want to see the best fight the best.
      I was a Stevenson fan, but right now I would flush him down the toilet if I could

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      • Russian Crushin
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        #83
        Originally posted by The Big Dunn
        Hbo allowed this to happen. If they wanted the fight now then make it. It wasn't just Stevenson. Hbo needs to fill dates. They don't have enough fighters so they tried to get 3 fights out of this. Gave both guys easy blowout matches to make the fight even bigger.

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        They couldnt force him to fight Kovalev. THey wanted the fight but stevenson didnt, so they couldnt force him. They just held a card with both getting great KO wins on the same card, that was the set up. They gave them 2 worse opponents to make the fight bigger?

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        • Tom Cruise
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          #84
          Originally posted by New England
          so you aren't reading my posts, young cruise?
          You just seem to be so focused on understanding Stevensons decision, and the business side of things, that you forgot to be annoyed that we've been robbed of the best fight to be made this year.

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          • Mr.Fantastic
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            #85
            Those fans "The Mayweather Nuthugging Mafia" like and want Mayweather to be the only one making money. When a "good business decision" comes from someone else(mostly being a non black boxer/person), they criticize them till no end.

            Not all Mayweather fans, a very small portion are good boxing fans.

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            • brettWall
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              #86
              Like I've mentioned, fans nowadays need to make some adjustments when watching boxing. It takes years and years to see proven fighters fight each other. It's getting more and more expensive to produce such fights. They all want to get huge paycheck, then go on long vacations.

              So just expect to see exhibition matches between proven fighter vs low level fighters. For one, they're easier and cheaper to make. The thrill for fans is in seeing the "star" get beat or brutalized by bums.

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              • ImStillHere
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                #87
                All I'll say is "What would you do?" Ask yourself that

                Haymon puts An Adonis fight for 1.2m and a Hopkins fight for 2.5m in front of you, which contract do YOU sign?

                When you can honestly say you would pick the harder fight for less money I'll take you serious, otherwise stop *****ing, just make a thread called "I hate Floyd Mayweather" and stop trying to be cute about it

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                • ImStillHere
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                  #88
                  Originally posted by Fantastic One
                  Those fans "The Mayweather Nuthugging Mafia" like and want Mayweather to be the only one making money. When a "good business decision" comes from someone else(mostly being a non black boxer/person), they criticize them till no end.

                  Not all Mayweather fans, a very small portion are good boxing fans.
                  Any examples of this? And take note that I'm white and I'm calling BS. The hate for black fighters on here as a whole is disgraceful. The constant dubbing as "Slick" is an underhand racist term. There are two slick black American's Floyd and Terrence (maybe Russell, we don't know yet).

                  Frankie Gavin and Paul McCloskey are slicker than Alexander and Bradley #FACT

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                  • soul_survivor
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                    #89
                    Originally posted by BreWall
                    That's why boxing should be viewed differently now and fans need to make adjustments. Fights now are more like exhibition matches that focus on making the star fighter look good. It's no longer about the best fighting the best. I doubt fans will ever see their dream fights in their lifetimes. When star fighter loses, he's back fighting cab drivers. And fans would be lucky to see fighters fight three times a year.
                    That's so much BS, let's not let the actions of Floyd Mayweather, ***** boy, dictate the whole of boxing.

                    Just in recent years we've had Garcia/Matthysse, Rigo/Donaire, Wlad/Povetkin (like it or not it was no. 1 v 2), Wlad/Haye, Pacquiao/Cotto/Marquez/Oscar, Floyd/Mosley, Trout/Lara, Bradley/Pacquiao/Marquez, Rios/Alavardo, these were all important fights, to varying degrees and a lot of them were FOTY candidates.

                    There are still top fights being made, I haven't even listed the British scene yet, what with Froch/Groves/Ward/Kessler

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                    • FrankieClutch
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                      #90
                      I dislike the business decisions, but I've grown to understand them, unfortunately.

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