If Rigondeaux was a welterweight, could he outbox Mayweather?

[Syf]

can you really time Rigo, though? More importantly, wouldn't Rigo make adjustments, too?

This one is breaking my brain.

I think so, because its only one significant shot at a time.. and Floyd will know Rigo is going to constantly be trying to land the straight left.

Rigo doesnt have as much tools to adjust with defensively. Floyd parries, moves, ducks dodges shoulder roll high guard ect.

How many defensive looks does Rigo actually have? Hes very agile and fleet footed Ill say that.. but in a checklist of defense... and offense.. Floyd is more versatile.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Because Donaires left hook was so effective right? Rigo paws to draw counter shots, are you ******? Its not a mistake he is making, he is waiting for you every time he does that, which is why you would KTFO in half a second by him.

Rigo would take Floyd to school. Imagine what Judah did to him, but for 12 rounds, and even worse.

Not oblivious to why he does it, still Mayweather would land lead left hooks over it. That was arguably his best punch in the lower weight classes, I'd expect it to look vintage.You got be an idiot to think he'll be able to paw the jab against Mayweather. Donaire's left hook is one dimensional btw.

[Doctor_Tenma]

To touch more into the topic, Rigondeaux isn't someone I would classify as a boxer, he is far more of a stop and go counter puncher. It's different when your moving the hands whilst setting traps, like a Pernell Whitaker. It's not like Rigondeaux has a jab anyway, it'll be Mayweather landing the jabs and giving Rigondeaux very little to counter off of which would force Rigondeaux to take the initiative or at least have to. That's how one deals with a counter puncher, use the jab to set the pace. Rigondeaux's right hand serves very good use, I'm not knocking him but he doesn't possess a jab good enough to force Mayweather to chase him.

[Daddy T]

probably but it would be damn boring

[GrandpaBernard]

Why would Floyd have to give chase at all, thats playing into El Chacal's strength... Let Rigo come to him and counter him. Floyds stationary defense is better than Rigo's... just dont chase him let him come to you and pick him off...

I'm basing it off of what Floyd did in the Zab, another slick southpaw counterpuncher, fight

Floyd's best bet to make Rigo come forward is picking him off with a jab. It'd be like poking an animal with a stick to agitate it until it chases you.

Floyd has an easier time coming forward than Rigo does.

[GrandpaBernard]

To touch more into the topic, Rigondeaux isn't someone I would classify as a boxer, he is far more of a stop and go counter puncher. It's different when your moving the hands whilst setting traps, like a Pernell Whitaker. It's not like Rigondeaux has a jab anyway, it'll be Mayweather landing the jabs and giving Rigondeaux very little to counter off of which would force Rigondeaux to take the initiative or at least have to. That's how one deals with a counter puncher, use the jab to set the pace. Rigondeaux's right hand serves very good use, I'm not knocking him but he doesn't possess a jab good enough to force Mayweather to chase him.

Zab's jab wasn't very good either yet Floyd came forward

[Doctor_Tenma]

Zab's jab wasn't very good either yet Floyd came forward

That version of Mayweather did not utilize his jab to it's fullest, he used to throw leads without setting up once upon a time. Lets remember that not too long ago that was one of the very few things people would knock about him, it wasn't until Sr. brought it to his attention going into the Marquez fight that he started using it more. Coincidentally this also pertains to this fantasy matchup because Marquez a counter puncher was forced to take the initiative due to Mayweather's consistent jab. Rigondeaux sets his offense by baiting, feinting and pawing with the jab, it's insane to think Mayweather wouldn't be getting off with jabs at that particular time. So again, I honestly see Rigndeaux being forced to take the initiative, Rigondeaux's pawing jab simply won't do it.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

NSB

[GrandpaBernard]

That version of Mayweather did not utilize his jab to it's fullest, he used to throw leads without setting up once upon a time. Lets remember that not too long ago that was one of the very few things people would knock about him, it wasn't until Sr. brought it to his attention going into the Marquez fight that he started using it more. Coincidentally this also pertains to this fantasy matchup because Marquez a counter puncher was forced to take the initiative due to Mayweather's consistent jab. Rigondeaux sets his offense by baiting, feinting and pawing with the jab, it's insane to think Mayweather wouldn't be getting off with jabs at that particular time. So again, I honestly see Rigndeaux being forced to take the initiative, Rigondeaux's pawing jab simply won't do it.

very valid

Floyd would undoubtedly win the battle of jabs. Rigo's job would be to avoid getting into that battle, which would be hard since Rigo's optimal distance is long range

[Doctor_Tenma]

very valid

Floyd would undoubtedly win the battle of jabs. Rigo's job would be to avoid getting into that battle, which would be hard since Rigo's optimal distance is long range

We sometimes forget that Mayweather was once talented enough to lead without setting up (He still does this now but with far less emphasis). He used to try to get the timing down on his lead right hand/ or left hook for the first few rounds, now he doesn't do it anymore as he has a consistent jab, I'm glad that's changed because it would have been problematic if he was still doing that. Sometimes slowing down due to age can bring out good qualities, I'm glad Sr spotted it.