Is Roy Jones in the top 20 all time great?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Hopkins resume and career is far better then pernells. Pernell was done as a top fighter by 33 same with Ray Leonard and Roy who was do e by 34 so Bhop has claim to having a superior skills set and mentality to survive that long in top form!

People may nit like it but he is one if the three grandmasters of boxing in this era. His fighting style will be studied for years, same with Floyd's, and Roy's.

For this era the three grandmasters are:
1. Floyd may weather jr
2. Roy jones jr
3. Bernard Hopkins

Next level

4. Pernell Whitaker
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Evader Holyfield

What are you talking about,,, did you even watch pernell in the 80s and early 90s

Pernell would have carved up pavlik, pascal, tarver, tito, etc

Yes hopkins has longevity, sweet pea got cracked out, Hopkins is a great fighter, but he got beaten in his prime when he fought a top level boxer, and has continued to lose everytime he faces someone with a jab and boxing ability ie taylor twice, dawson, calzaghe,,,
Put hopkins in with a slow plodding power puncher and he shines, but dont confuse that with have grandmaster class boxing,,
Pernell had a much better career and fought and beat tougher boxers than hopkins ever did,,,

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Hopkins resume and career is far better then pernells.

you're so fvkcing ******ed its not even funny

[-PBP-]

Hopkins resume and career is far better then pernells. Pernell was done as a top fighter by 33 same with Ray Leonard and Roy who was do e by 34 so Bhop has claim to having a superior skills set and mentality to survive that long in top form!

People may nit like it but he is one if the three grandmasters of boxing in this era. His fighting style will be studied for years, same with Floyd's, and Roy's.

You have got to be ****ting me.

[Big_L]

Who has Montell Griffin beaten outside of two robberies against James Toney? The 3 biggest "wins" of his career are all suspect. And I like Ice. I thought he was a very skilled fighter but he has not accomplished near what Greg Haugen and Roger Mayweather have. And Johnson wasn't prime when Roy fought him.

Its not nitpicking. Its using facts to show why one fighters wins are better than the others.

I think Roy Jones is top 30 but he isn't higher than Whitaker.

I didn't say he was or wasn't. I'm asking why is Roy left out of the discussion because of a "weak" resume when there are other fighters universally considered top 10, top 15 all time who's resumes are very similar. I think Roy's and Whitaker's best wins are very close. I think Roy's wins are better than Chavez's. Iit's a very unfair criticism of Roy IMO.

[-PBP-]

This thread is forcing me to criticize some of my favorite fighters but come on man.

Bernard Hopkins lost most of his big fights. His best win his Trinidad. But against other top ranked fighters:

Roy Jones - LOST
Jermaine Taylor - LOST (I think I scored the series 1-1)
Joe Calzaghe - LOST
Chad Dawson - LOST

His middleweight run was a great accomplishment but not a lot of great names and his other biggest wins are Glen Johnson, Kelly Pavlik, Oscar De La Hoya (at MW though) and Antonio Tarver.

What he is doing is LEGENDARY and will never be duplicated but lets not act like he's schooling future hall of famers. Jean Pascal, Tavoris Cloud and Karo Murat are not extraordinary fighters at all.

[-PBP-]

I didn't say he was or wasn't. I'm asking why is Roy left out of the discussion because of a "weak" resume when there are other fighters universally considered top 10, top 15 all time who's resumes are very similar. I think Roy's and Whitaker's best wins are very close. I think Roy's wins are better than Chavez's. Iit's a very unfair criticism of Roy IMO.

I wouldn't call it a weak resume. It's probably better than 99% of all boxers who ever laced up a pair of gloves.

Just when you are comparing the all time greats against each other some have beaten better fighters than others.

[LacedUp]

DO you understand THE WORDS EVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING Obviously this isnt something you luck into, if so, others would have done it BEFORE. STOP HATING ON OTHERS EXTRAORDINARY ACCOMPLISHMENTS OR TRYING TO DOWNPLAY THEM.

He is the only boxer in history to start his career as a light middleweight (154 lbs) and go on to win a heavyweight title.
Jones left his mark in boxing history when he won the WBA Heavyweight title, becoming the first former middleweight champion to win a heavyweight title in 106 years YOURE ON A BOXING SITE so I assume you have SOOOME RESPECT for what these guys accomplish. this is not an accomplishment that you'll ever see again. RESPECT IS DUE!

ROY JONES JR ATG

You sound like a child.

Roy Jones jr was a big reason for me getting into boxing in the first place. He was one of my absolute favorites growing up. That doesn't mean I have to elevate his status to an unreal level.

Once again, he's an ATG no doubt. But a top 20 in the history of the sport? No he's not.

[soul_survivor]

Is Mayweather top 20 in your opinion?

No he's not.

Most definitely an ATG but his resume is sorely lacking, yes a cursory glance shows you Mosley and Cotto but Mosley was shot to pieces and Cotto had taken some of the worst beatings in the 21st century, yet he still made the fight competitive.

His only indisputable win against a great fighter is probably Oscar, Floyd moving up to 154 for the first time and fighting the man.

Castillo/Corrales/Hatton/Hernandez/Judah are all good wins but nothing special.

[Holywarrior]

see this is the double standard I'm talking about. Jorge Paez is a quality win for Pernell Whitaker. But Eric Lucas is nothing. Mike McCallum is nothing.

LMAO I know right.

Eric Harding and Reggie Johnson are nothing but Pineda and Haugen get props.

[JmH Reborn]

For me, it's about who you beat and at what stage in their careers. He has one great win, against Toney. He has a good win against Hopkins, but he was pretty green at that point.

I personally don't care about the talent you have, if you never tested it against other great fighters, what is the point? Might as well get ready to put Gamboa and Russell Jr I'm the top 50 atg based on their skills