Comments Thread For: Argenis Mendez' Team To Appeal Barthelemy KO Outcome

[UL1210]

Bro, you're overlooking two key elements here. One: Punch combinations, once initiated, are essentially unstoppable. Once a one-two-three combo is decided on by a fighter, he has virtually no power to take it back. Two: There is a judgement factor in interpreting the rules of boxing. Given my first point, it's entirely understandable why the ref didn't see fit to disqualify Barthelemy.

What the hell does this even mean? That doesn't change the fact that the KO punches were landed after the bell, its pretty simple. This is a clear DQ.

[Russian Crushin]

Ahhh, you had to go there. lol

Okay, here are my thoughts: When the KO happened, I jumped up, concerned the ref might DQ Rances. I knew that was a possibility, because the rules state you can't hit after the bell. I'm cool with the ref's call, though, because of the circumstances. Barthelemy started his combo at the bell and landed the telling blow as the bell sounded a second time (out of three). It all happened in a split second. It may be technically illegal, but you simply cannot expect a fighter in the heat of battle to stop his fist in midair that way.

These judgement calls happen all the time in boxing. Just the other day, James Kirkland landed a truly late and unnecessary punch on Glen Tapia as Steve Smoger interceded. It might've damaged the poor kid. Kirkland probably should've been DQed for that savage cheap shot, but he wasn't...and neither are countless others. At least, in Bart's case, one can argue that it's unreasonable to expect the man to halt his actions midway.

Ok unintentional foul, it should be a No contest, i dont care

Mendez should lose his belt just because BArth was in the zone and KO'd him after the bell?

The kirkland situation was completely different, how can you DQ a guy after you've stopped the fight?

None of that changes the fact that he hit him after the bell, how hard is this to understand?

[onechance87]

is there a video of it?

[damit305]

Deal with what? I'm not a fan of either fighters. Its hilarious watching cuban nut huggers happy and ignore rules just because he's from their country. Its completely unfair to mendez to lose his belt on a foul.

Oooh. "Nuthugger" that's a new one. You obviously have a thing for certain fighters. Is Nishioka still on your ATGs.? lol. Please continue on your quest of irrational and insecure bias.

[CubanGuyNYC]

unstoppable, please dont make me laugh.

Even if it was unstoppable and unintentional, you cannot win a fight on KO AFTER the bell. It should be a NC, i dont care, but mendez or any fighters should not lose on punches after the bell.

That comment makes you laugh? You either have limited experience, or no experience at all, when it comes to actual fighting. I've fought in the ring and out. The circumstances of that KO are completely understandable. A combination flows as a unit. Barthelemy's brain had decided to throw not one punch, but three. In a championship fight, smelling the KO, the odds of holding a combo back the instant you hear the bell are practically ZERO. It's unrealistic.

[Russian Crushin]

You keep saying it's not they're job ... If it's not they're job to break up the action , then why does every ref do it instead of standing way back and waiting for a foul ,so they can take a point. Isn't that they're job then , to stand back and wait for a foul ? Please answer that.

I'll give u my answer , half of fights would end DQ

But It's not their job

His job was to penalize for clear late punches that stopped the fight.

No their jobs are to throw themselves in between fighters when they predict a foul coming, like for low blows and rabbit punches.

[ElMeroChingon]

They should, it was after the bell. Looking back at it the left hook he threw was way too late. Barthelemy lost control, if they rule it a DQ it's on him.

[CubanGuyNYC]

What the hell does this even mean? That doesn't change the fact that the KO punches were landed after the bell, its pretty simple. This is a clear DQ.

Refer to my post previous to this.

Ok unintentional foul, it should be a No contest, i dont care

Mendez should lose his belt just because BArth was in the zone and KO'd him after the bell?

The kirkland situation was completely different, how can you DQ a guy after you've stopped the fight?

None of that changes the fact that he hit him after the bell, how hard is this to understand?

I'm not certain, but I do believe Kirkland could've been DQed for his actions, despite Smoger stepping in. What's interesting is that you use that rationale for one fight but not the other. How can you DQ a guy after you've already counted his opponent out?

[Russian Crushin]

That comment makes you laugh? You either have limited experience, or no experience at all, when it comes to actual fighting. I've fought in the ring and out. The circumstances of that KO are completely understandable. A combination flows as a unit. Barthelemy's brain had decided to throw not one punch, but three. In a championship fight, smelling the KO, the odds of holding a combo back the instant you hear the bell are practically ZERO. It's unrealistic.

It doesnt matter, he hit him after the bell, thats a foul. It wasnt intentional, so its a NC instead of a DQ. But winning a fight on a foul just because u were in the zone?

Ur rationalizing a very straight forward situation to fit ur agenda. Ur actually bending rules. Its like saying a bucket counts after the bell in basketball because the guy was in the process of shooting and in the zone. It makes no sense, after the bell is after the bell. Plus it wasnt even close, he threw a 3 punch combo

[CubanGuyNYC]

is there a video of it?

Yeah, go to the ESPN site. They have a clip in the boxing section. I'd post the link, but I'm on my IPad and I'm not in the mood to figure out how to work it on this thing.