Who wins hagler vs bhop prime vs prime mw

[Doctor_Tenma]

Then you are admittedly exaggerating Hopkins inside capabilities since you have agreed that more than one fighter was better than him on the inside. Pea ****ed up a great in-fighter on the inside, who was the best inside fighter Hopkins beat inside?

Ruben, I wouldn't be able to tell you that honestly. All I can speak on strictly is how Hopkins applied himself on the inside and how well refined he was, he did everything correctly. Ruben man, don't tell me shit dude I said I fuckin' watched his career and more than once

[Doctor_Tenma]

Your entitled to your opinion, however utterly questionable it is - but how can you sit there and claim that "most wouldn't" consider him a great inside fighter?



Out of curiosity, do you think Larry Holmes had a crap jab?

I'm shocked that some of you would even argue that, seriously. A great inside fighter should be fully loaded to punch from any position that's available to him, not continuously work towards finding the left hook or pounding on an opponents' guard as oppose to creating the openings. Look, I loved how he would duck under the right/ slide to his right whilst throwing the left hook, beautiful stuff but don't tell me what Frazier did inside can classify him as a great inside fighter, it doesn't.

[RubenSonny]

His offense was one dimensional and consisted mostly of looking for the left hook, I liked Tyson's arsenal a lot better and certainly Chavez as well. I know that's where he operated, his game was largely based on that solely and even then I would never consider Frazier a great inside fighter, never.

Well for pretty much orthodox inside fighter, the left hook is going to be the most heavily favored punch, isn't that kind of obvious?

Tyson wasn't an inside fighter let alone a greater one than Frazier - that's laughable.

Actually Fraziers inside game was superior to Chavez, his defense on the inside was much better, in terms of head movement and footwork on the inside few are greater than Frazier. He also got the best leverage up close with an unpredictable attack to the head and body, with his killer left hook and an underrated right hand, in fact his smooth closing-in jab was one of the best and most underrated punches, you see great inside fighters like Chavez and Castillo do the same thing. I don't see how you can call his offense on the inside one dimensional, you can call his offense in general one dimensional due to the fact that it is centered on the inside, but not his inside game.

[RubenSonny]

Ruben, I wouldn't be able to tell you that honestly. All I can speak on strictly is how Hopkins applied himself on the inside and how well refined he was, he did everything correctly. Ruben man, don't tell me shit dude I said I fuckin' watched his career and more than once

Doing everything correctly is a lot easier against average competition, no?

[RubenSonny]

Yeah I'm not convinced it was the low weight that affected him. I think it was Duran. He had 15 rounds to adjust and truthfully, Duran could have done more. Hopkins would have. Anyway, nice to see some old school heads chopping it up. And my boy RubenSonny in the mix as usual. Good stuff

I thought it was you but at first I thought it might have been another pinoy alt like IMBIAZED

Welcome back man where have you been?

[New England]

I'm shocked that some of you would even argue that, seriously. A great inside fighter should be fully loaded to punch from any position that's available to him, not continuously work towards finding the left hook or pounding on an opponents' guard as oppose to creating the openings. Look, I loved how he would duck under the right/ slide to his right whilst throwing the left hook, beautiful stuff but don't tell me what Frazier did inside can classify him as a great inside fighter, it doesn't.

you're the only person who doesn't think joe frazier was a great fighter inside. he's the best HW ever inside. HW boxing might not mean much today, but in the 70's it was the biggest sport on the planet.

many HW don't even fight inside. they'd rather be at arm's length where they've got knockout power with the right hand, they can jab, and they can rest. they need the rest. prime frazier didn't need the rest.

frazier had an injury in childhood that didn't allow him to use his right hand properly. his left hook made up for it to the body and head.


watch the first ali fight, keeping mind that muhammad ali is the greatest HW of all time. ali was not only great with his jab and legs, he might be the best HW of all time at holding. frazier got inside on muhammad ali, kept his hands free against the greatest clincher of all time [not named wladimir,] and scored enough points to win a decision. he also dropped ali in that fight. ali wasn't at his absolute zenith in '71, but he wasn't done by any means. many of his best wins came after the first frazier fight.


i'd honestly venture that you'll look back in a few years at your stance on frazier's infighting abilities and laugh. that's not me trying to be a ****, that's just where the learning process will lead you.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Doing everything correctly is a lot easier against average competition, no?

No it's harder to do everything correctly against weak opposition...

We role playing?

[Doctor_Tenma]

you're the only person who doesn't think joe frazier was a great fighter inside. he's the best HW ever inside. HW boxing might not mean much today, but in the 70's it was the biggest sport on the planet.

frazier had an injury in childhood that didn't allow him to use his right hand properly. his left hook made up for it.


watch the first ali fight, keeping mind that muhammad ali is the greatest HW of all time. ali was not only great with his jab and legs, he might be the best HW of all time at holding. frazier got inside on muhammad ali, kept his hands free against the greatest clincher of all time [not named wladimir,] and scored enough points to win a decision. he also dropped ali in that fight. ali wasn't at his absolute zenith in '71, but he wasn't done by any means. many of his best wins came after the first frazier fight.


i'd honestly venture that you'll look back in a few years at your stance on frazier's infighting abilities and laugh. that's not me trying to be a ****, that's just where the learning process will lead you.

No thanks, I've watched enough Frazier and I pride myself in knowing what I see in front of me and Frazier isn't a great inside fighter. Second bold, ain't gonna happen man

[DAZED 2.0]

I thought it was you but at first I thought it might have been another pinoy alt like IMBIAZED

Welcome back man where have you been?

Thanks, man! Took a break from here for a bit - noticed people's bitterness just turning into racism and that was a bit of a turn off. Plus, I have a love-hate relationship with twitter lol. I see not much has changed here though smh.

[Ham Porter]

I'm shocked that some of you would even argue that, seriously. A great inside fighter should be fully loaded to punch from any position that's available to him, not continuously work towards finding the left hook or pounding on an opponents' guard as oppose to creating the openings. Look, I loved how he would duck under the right/ slide to his right whilst throwing the left hook, beautiful stuff but don't tell me what Frazier did inside can classify him as a great inside fighter, it doesn't.

Have you seen any fights from Frazier besides the one's with Ali? The Chuvalo fight, the Quarry fights, perhaps? Your description of Frazier isn't an accurate one at all