Who wins hagler vs bhop prime vs prime mw

[dontrell]

And Hopkins is no SRL. Not even the MW version of SRL. That version of SRL thoroughly curb stomps guys like GGG, Quillen, Martinez, etc.

[Doctor_Tenma]

For as long as you've been watching boxing? You think Hopkins has a better inside game than Duran/Joe Frazier/Tyson/Chavez, etc?

I don't know about that.

Being technically good on the inside is great and all, but against Hagler, you're facing another man that is great on the inside with the ferocity to really hurt you.

I wouldn't even classify Frazier as a great inside fighter, I think most wouldn't, lets be honest now.

By the way, yes better than Chavez and Tyson, Duran no.

[DAZED 2.0]

Hopkins is a great fighter, and no doubts he would give Hagler fits, but Hagler is a GREAT from the mid range AND on the inside.

I completely understand where people want to say Hopkins could outbox Hagler, but I don't think he can actually do that. The moment, and I mean moment Hopkins was getting his off, that's when Hagler steps it up another notch, and goes in on him, unrelenting.

Of course, that's just my side of the coin. Hell, Hopkins could very well beat Hagler, and I wouldn't even be surprised, but I give the edge to Hagler.

Just going off on Hopkins isn't going to be enough. I recently watched Hagler's fights against Geraldo and Duran and...I think Hopkins beats him. Hopkins has wonderful footwork and I think that's something Hagler really struggled with -- he certainly did in those two fights. I also think Hopkins offers as many looks as Hagler but with better defense. He was excellent from long range, and could hold his own on the inside. If he employed a similar strategy to what Duran did and perhaps threw a little more, he'd frustrate the hell out of Hagler. Still a pick em though between two of the greatest middles ever. I lean toward Bernard.

[dontrell]

I wouldn't even classify Frazier as a great inside fighter, I think most wouldn't, lets be honest now.

By the way, yes better than Chavez and Tyson, Duran no.

Joe Frazier is the best inside fighting HW for my money. I don't know about you. Gotta give Jack Dempsey a shout out.

And better than Chavez? Chavez isn't Tito, he could actually fight on the inside.

Tyson, I guess not. I kind of just threw his name out there.

[RubenSonny]

Toney was better, far better is a stretch. I like Hopkins' offense more than Hagler's in close, Hopkins' punches were more compact and his ability to fight in the clinches is even better. Ruben I strongly stand by the bold, when I see the Hopkins comparisons to Ward or even Mayweather to some degree, it gets ridiculous on here, I find that Hopkins was in all around superior fighter than Ward is today. Unlike Ward, Hopkins' inside game didn't entirely consist of locking an opponents arm, his two handed attack in close is one of the best I've ever seen.

Toney would eat up Hopkins on the inside. As far was Ward is concerned I'm in total agreement, Hopkins in his prime was far better than Ward no doubt. I don't really rate Ward as a good inside fighter, he is comfortable at that distance with his clinching and head-leading but as far as effective punching goes he doesn't do very much, he is able to strive in that area simply because his weak opposition has nothing at all to offer on the inside, the only guy that actually had anything was Bika and Ward didn't look so good there. Hopkins does a lot more clean punching on the inside than Ward but less than Hagler or Toney. As far as the outside against he doesn't really have the advantage there, Hagler was quicker with a harder punch, longer reach and better jab. You also have to take into account that Haglers opposition was far superior, Hopkins middleweight opposition is very mediocre.

[RubenSonny]

I wouldn't even classify Frazier as a great inside fighter, I think most wouldn't, lets be honest now.

By the way, yes better than Chavez and Tyson, Duran no.

What? Frazier is by far the best inside fighter at heavyweight and better than Chavez was for sure, he was a great fighter and basically did all his fighting on the inside, I don't understand how you can justify that.

[RubenSonny]

Which good in-fighters did Hopkins beat?

[RubenSonny]

Pea was also much better than Hopkins on the inside, it's not even close.

[dontrell]

Just going off on Hopkins isn't going to be enough. I recently watched Hagler's fights against Geraldo and Duran and...I think Hopkins beats him. Hopkins has wonderful footwork and I think that's something Hagler really struggled with -- he certainly did in those two fights. I also think Hopkins offers as many looks as Hagler but with better defense. He was excellent from long range, and could hold his own on the inside. If he employed a similar strategy to what Duran did and perhaps threw a little more, he'd frustrate the hell out of Hagler. Still a pick em though between two of the greatest middles ever. I lean toward Berbard

Hagler weighed in at 157 for Duran, and he was even quoted saying, "every pound counts", insinuating the low weight affected him.

He went into that fight being prepared for Duran's slick style, and to dance with him, not to march in and wear him out. Which he should have done.

Hopkins does have better defense, but that's not saying much when Hagler wasn't a slouch defensively, and he was a better counter puncher than Hopkins, imo.

And yes, this is a pick em fight. I think Hagler has the hunger and that extra gear to get at Bernard on the inside.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Toney would eat up Hopkins on the inside. As far was Ward is concerned I'm in total agreement, Hopkins in his prime was far better than Ward no doubt. I don't really rate Ward as a good inside fighter, he is comfortable at that distance with his clinching and head-leading but as far as effective punching goes he doesn't do very much, he is able to strive in that area simply because his weak opposition has nothing at all to offer on the inside, the only guy that actually had anything was Bika and Ward didn't look so good there. Hopkins does a lot more clean punching on the inside than Ward but less than Hagler or Toney. As far as the outside against he doesn't really have the advantage there, Hagler was quicker with a harder punch, longer reach and better jab. You also have to take into account that Haglers opposition was far superior, Hopkins middleweight opposition is very mediocre.

Get the better yes, eat no, Hopkins' inside game is very well refined, you won't find many who can throw shorter hooks on the inside than Hopkins or in combinations. Agree on Ward, I say Ward specializes in smothering and fighting in the clinches, it's hard to rate his inside game.

I like Hopkins in this one because he has the conditioning and durability to compete, his feinting will allow him to get off on the inside and neutralize Hagler momentarily. Hopkins' game is mostly based on trickery, I still say that's the trickiest lead right hand I've ever seen.